[nguyennhatquang]

And those people would be called ignorant morons. Considering my V is spanking brand new Mercedes...

u will change your mine will u own a E63 amg or M5 BMW...
we will see..OH mercedes is the best...Everything is trash...in mbworld forums soon..

 

[thebigjimsho]

Bunch of idiots in here. The CTS and the V is a 10 Best car. Mostly because the Sigma II platform IS a world beater.

Since I have first hand experience I have an ego? Again, this forum is run amok with idiots.

I have no problem admitting when a car is better than my preferred brand. I drive a Lincoln Town Car because it serves my job best. I owned a Taurus SHO for 10 years even though I'm not a Ford fan.

And I grew up a BMW fanboy. So I went with Cadillac because they proved to me they could build a world class car.

So you idiots can shut it.

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Be sure to give me an update in how well it's holding together...in 20 years..... The CTS is simply an entry level Cadillette with a huge engine, a jukebox dash, not very comfortable seats, and not very much room inside. Betcha with your ego there's no room for passengers....

Oh yeah, you're the guy who wants old boats that dont need to handle, just float. Have fun dreaming...

 

[jeffc83]

Bunch of idiots in here. The CTS and the V is a 10 Best car. Mostly because the Sigma II platform IS a world beater.

Since I have first hand experience I have an ego? Again, this forum is run amok with idiots.

I have no problem admitting when a car is better than my preferred brand. I drive a Lincoln Town Car because it serves my job best. I owned a Taurus SHO for 10 years even though I'm not a Ford fan.

And I grew up a BMW fanboy. So I went with Cadillac because they proved to me they could build a world class car.

So you idiots can shut it.

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Oh yeah, you're the guy who wants old boats that dont need to handle, just float. Have fun dreaming...

We're not ALL idiots in here Sad thread for a friggin Cadillac forum...

 

[thebigjimsho]

Not all are idiots, but we can dream...

 

[TulsaVic]

With all the name calling, as opposed to just stating opinions, "we're" not all gentlemen here either.....

 

[RippyPartsDept]

I'm not even going to read your post or any of the other posts. There is no point.

It seems a bit misguided to try and make this decision before you can test drive the cars.

If you really need to decide now then choose the XTS.

 

[EnvoyBu]

If I were to buy an XTS, I'd have to wait for the 3.0TT. It'll make the XTS a really fun drive methinks.

 

[nguyennhatquang]

i hope he is really smart like the way he said....

 

[DavidNJ]

An interestingly limited view.

Chrysler 300, about $45k MSRP fully equipped with the 6, $48k with the V8. Excellent road test reviews often comparing the experience to a Bentley. The new interior, which I haven't seen in person yet, covers most interior surfaces in a fairly good leather. Lots of features, lots of room. Features include a fold down rear seat, which can be very useful at times. Neither engine is current technology although both have good NVH. The 8-speed transmission, also used other brands, is handicapped by gears and programming designed to get high numbers on the EPA mileage tests. Chrysler saved money by leaving the styling alone, which looks unusual and a bit dated; only the observant can tell it from the prior model.

Cadillac XTS: New design, an FWD with optional AWD; FWD is rare in this class and really inappropriate for cars with this power level. Lots of features and new technology. To get the high end interior you need the Platinum model, price unannounced. Since the base mode starts at $45k, it is not unrealistic to expect a price on the Platinum in the high $50k range. The Cadillac styling is unique and not for everyone.

Other cars in that price range worthy of consideration:

Infiniti M37, optional interior is one of the best in the class, technology is lagging.
Jaguar XF, 5L DI V8, beautiful inside and out. Technology is slightly lagging.
Acura RL, new model for 2013, not my favorite for lots of reasons.
Lexus GS350, new for 2013, a bit odd looking, can easily get to $60k with options.
Audi A6, thought by many to be the class leader. If you get all the technology the price will climb to the mid-$60k range, but it starts around $50k with the V6.
MB E350, new MB AWD technology for 2013, DI engine, a little to harsh and to many plastics in the interior unless you get the very expensive Designo option. Lots of standard and optional safety equipment including drowsiness detection, industry leading active cruise control, night vision, etc.
BMW 528, BMW has raised the prices so much it is hard to get more than a minimalist 528 with its 240hp 4-cylinder turbo for under $60k.
Hyundai Equus, High $50k range before discount, high end car from the world's 4th largest auto manufacturer.
Hyundai Genesis, Comparable in size but a bit dated. High tech DI V6 and 8-speed trans, new model for 2014.

We have the MB E350CDI diesel, full equipped, which would now list around $63k without the latest safety equipment, $68k with it. The Designo interior would add $4500. I had a '79 Sedan DeVille, but that was over 30 years ago.

 

[ddawson]

I love my CTS. Buy the Cadillac.

 

[DavidNJ]

I did see an SRT8 with the Luxury Interior option. Lots of leather, but maybe not as high a grade as I had expected. They put lots of functions into the 8.4" display. There are no radio buttons and you need to navigate 3 levels of menus, after the the display boots, to set seat heat or ventilation. The display is high up (good) but has not brow to protect it from the sun causing a slightly washed out look at times.

In the XTS the display seems a little lower (bad) but appears to have a slight brow (good). It has the seat heat/vent controls in buttons (good) but like the 300 no radio buttons (bad).

 

[DavidNJ]

This is a link to some XTS videos from GM: http://www.videoatgm.com/videos/us/en/gm/_search/xts/1613922188001

It has some clever features. The trunk is large but has a very small opening. In the video, notice how close the size is to the small dimension on the golf bags. It has most of the current features. It appears the warning are all passive; lane departure and blind spot are active on many cars in this price class. The active cruise seems 1 or 2 generations behind the current MB, BMW, and Audi offerings. The cross path detection is leading edge. Only a few other brands have heads up displays.

The first road tests will be interesting. For me, GM closed the good Cadillac and GMC dealers near me, leaving a Cadillac dealer featuring CTS sedans with Vogue whitewall tires, as if he was selling Eldorados to an inner city crowd in the in the 1970s. The GMC dealer remaining has the highest cost, lowest service service department I've visited in the past 20 years. The good Cadillac dealer who lost his franchise is now a Kia dealer who has troubles keeping the hot models in stock.

 

[DG2]

Shame on Cadillac for not having a rear drive platform and a V8 eight for the top-of-the-line XTS. With that said. Buy the Cadillac ! No comparison.

 

[Lord Cadillac]

Can we PLEASE stop with the name calling? Please?!

I'll wait until late May / June when the XTS comes out to test drive one, but until I do, I was wondering if anyone wanted to weigh in on this topic to help shape my thinking.

I've never driven a Caddy with Magnetic Ride Control, so if anyone can describe how the ride might be compared to the Chrysler, I'd appreciate it.

I'm not the type of guy who needs raw power (otherwise I'd go for the 300C SRT8 or CTS-V). Instead, my emphasis is on refinement, crisp handling, quality interior, comfort while driving on the highway.

Interestingly, I would get the RWD Chrysler or the AWD XTS. (I just can't let myself get a FWD in a car as upscale as the Cadillac.)

Chrysler:
- 8 speed getting 30+ mph on the highway
- very good sound deadening materials, with acoustic glass
- their luxury series leather interior looks very nice

Cadillac:
- quality interior
- i think the build quality will be better than the Chrysler
- better instrumentation/controls (even without the CUE) than the Chrysler's 8.4 inch screen

I look forward to hearing your comments/insights.

Thanks.

I just drove a 2012 Chrysler 300 for about five days as a rental. It's a really nice car. I owned a 2007 300C and the interior is a MAJOR improvement over the first generation. Road/wind noise is also MUCH improved. The interior is a nice place to be and the car does ride very nicely. The only 300 I'd consider taking over a Cadillac XTS is the 300C or SRT-8. The power is very nice in either of those vehicles. If we're talking about the V6, I'd probably take the DTS over it. The only thing I don't like about the DTS is the turning radius. Otherwise, it's just a better car (to me).

I expect the XTS to be a better DTS in almost every way. The only issue is power.

If you want a car that's more luxurious than sporty, than take the XTS. If you want more sport than luxury, take the 300. Now you probably think I'm biased because I'm an administrator here. Take a look at some of my posts in the past and you'll find that I'm VERY far from biased. That being said, if the decision were mine - either leaning toward sport or luxury - I'd pick the FWD XTS every time. Now if you were comparing a new 300C, it would take a little more time for me to make a decision. Again, I like powerful cars - but neither the XTS nor the 300 are powerful. So all you're left with is luxury anyway. Buy the Cadillac XTS...

I think of the 300 as a Buick competitor, not really Cadillac. But then I see the XTS as a Buick Lucerne competitor too. I liked my '05 300C but it did not have the luxury feel of the DTS. If you're going to consider the Chrysler, have a look at the new Toyoto Avalon. It's been a fairly unpleasant looking car in the past. But the 2013 model (supposedly available around Nov 2012) looks more Lexus than Toyota. You do kind of have to get past the strange Mazda front end. But generally it's at least as attractive as the XTS. And typically you can't beat the Avalon's interior space.

The Avalon is a very nice car as well... Can't argue with that at all...

 

[southsider]

Just happen to drive a 300 last week. Nice ride, but would not want to be stuck in the back seat. No room at all. Need to see what the XTS will have.

 

[thebigjimsho]

No room in a 300? You sure it wasn't a 200??

 

[Jesda]

The CTS-V may be a world-beater, but Cadillac is no Mercedes-Benz.

MB spans a wider range of market segments. You have everything from the lowly A-class to the SLS to the Unimog to freight trucks. Cadillac has the ATS but peaks with the Escalade and XTS. There's no exotic Cadillac on the market, nothing that's a zero-compromise car like the SLS Roadster or the AMG Black Series.

Mercedes-Benz is a massive part of Daimler AG, itself a transportation empire. Cadillac has been GM's afterthought since 1979.


If you want to compare C-class and E-class AMG-level models to the CTS-V or STS-V, then that makes sense. But as far as brands go, MB has global prestige.

 

[thebigjimsho]

Who cares?

 

[balboa117]

Buy the Cadillac XTS...class vs cookie cutter..

 

[JimmyH]

Mercedes blah, blah, blah....

So Mercedes has advanced engineering and features. It damn well better for what you pay for them. And forget about owning one beyond the warranty. There's a reason you see very few old German cars on the road. Well, maybe old Audis, back when they were simpler and reasonably priced.