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Size of brake line fittings

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11K views 20 replies 10 participants last post by  Tripwire  
#1 ·
Been losing brake fluid for a long time, finally able to get it up on a friend's lift and found the rear crossover tube to the left rear tire was weeping at on of its attachment clips.
I've tried to find the pre-bent tube assembly but it has been discontinued - probably expensive anyway. Also other lines don't look all that great and will probably have to be replaced.
I am left with using bulk copper alloy tubing and new fittings. I know the tubing is 3/16, but do not know what the fittings are. If I remove the tubing and fittings I will lose my transportation to get any parts.
I've searched all over on line and in this forum. Car parts stores can't tell me. Nowhere have I found where it actually spells out the size of the fittings for the tubing. Balloon tool I have, flaring not an issue done this before on other vehicles.
This can't be such a trade secret, interesting how trying to find it has become such a hassle - oh, yeah, Cadillac.
Someone must know which metric the 2010 DTS uses.
Information appreciated, thank you.
 
#2 ·
DO NOT use copper for brake lines. They're either a special CuNi, galvanized steel, or other tough alloy. NOT copper.
 
#8 ·
I thought about that, having the parts store bring one out and see which fitting is correct but I thought someone here would know.
My mistake.
I'll probably go with asking the store to bring out one of the hose assemblies. Don't need them, not buying any which is why I didn't want to go that way.
 
#10 ·
Thanks for all the comments on this.
Finally able to get to this. Wife recently had a knee replaced and she takes precedence.
This car uses two types of brake line connectors! The double flare is used for the ABS and at the calipers. They used the bubble for the splices under the car. I was able to reuse the connectors on the existing lines!
Interesting, two different styles of fittings!
I used steel for the front lines and will use it for the rear sections of the rear brake lines. I used cu-ni for the lines from the ABS to underneath the right side where they feed the rears. Tube bending for those two lines was beyond me so I went with the easier lines to bend.
Haven't found a diagram show how the lines are run from the ABS to each wheel, glad I made a sketch of the routing.
ABS was a challenge to get to, found a crow's foot with an extension from above worked pretty good.
 
#11 ·
The aftermath:
Yep, reused all of the old fittings even the three splices beneath the car.These three splices all used the bubble flare; all other flares were doubles.
I used steel for the easy front lines and for the rear lines beneath the car. I used the softer copper/nickel for the two lines that feed the rears from the ABS to their respective splice into the steel.
Seems that the splices don't like the mixture of steel and cu/ni as both of them weeped. I changed these two to new splices. The third undercar splice was ok. Still don't have as much pedal as I thought I'd have, not stiff.
Bled the lines before performing the ABS bleeding.

My advice to anyone who wants to change their brake lines on one of these cars is: plan for a lot of time with the car down.The bending and adjusting of the two lines through the engine well to the rear tires may take longer than anticipated.
That said, if you are able to comfortably work on the car there is no reason you can't do it.
 
#15 ·
If my memory server me correctly...

Although the flare nuts are M12 x 1, and m10 x 1 the Flare nuts at the Master cylinder are different.
I not 100% sure but I think it is m13 x 1.25
I do not remember any flare nut being an Inverted flare nut, I believe they are all bubble.
There is however, under the passengers feet two unions. the unions use a Bubble to a inverted flare.
 
#18 ·
If my memory server me correctly...

Although the flare nuts are M12 x 1, and m10 x 1 the Flare nuts at the Master cylinder are different.
I not 100% sure but I think it is m13 x 1.25
I do not remember any flare nut being an Inverted flare nut, I believe they are all bubble.
There is however, under the passengers feet two unions. the unions use a Bubble to a inverted flare.
I did some checking ... it looks like the Master cyclinder flare nut is m13 x 1.5.

Do remember to use bubble flare nut on bubble flares and Inverted flare nuts on inverted flares.
 
#21 ·
i think they mean copper/Nickle alloy lines which have been used for years - a approved line and a game changer.....wont corrode can be bent by hand and hard to mess up the flairs,