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Discussion starter · #61 ·
The shifter gate (which is what controls side to side play when in a gear) doesn't care if the engine is running or not.

As I said, I'll report back when I drive it. Probably tomorrow, but still need to change the front shocks.
 
Discussion starter · #63 ·
I'm waiting to see how much noise comes through there, you removed every bit of isolation.
Kind of. The forward "Home Depot" bushings, I coated them and the steel sleeve with silicone before installing, so there should be a little damping there....but with the vertical struts bolted directly to the trans, any damping from the drive train into the shifter base is eliminated. HOWEVER, the shifter is no longer bolted to the floor pan, so drive drain buzz/hum, and drive shaft vibes won't be transmitted into the car at all. The retention of the stock shift lever w/it's plastic ball/pivot I believe will help with NVH (compared to an aftermarket steel unit), but...we'll see. If it does make noise, I can easily add rubber to the bottom of the strut mounts, the way that I designed them. I'll try to get tthe thing done today so I can report back.
 
I believe most of it comes directly through the shifter stalk. That's why the rubber isolation is between the upper and lower portions. You welded the upper directly to the lower, it'll be interesting to see if all the theories are true.
 
Discussion starter · #65 ·
I agree. I should have the car running tonight. Just finished replacing the shocks...now the rear diff bushing, then put the DS in and exhaust on and pet 'er back on the ground....
Back to work! :)
 
Discussion starter · #66 · (Edited)
I drove it. Got the new shocks in, took my son to tutoring in SLC, then swapped the rear diff bushing, then put the car back together. Battery was dead so put it on charge and went for a Mtn bike ride with my wife when she got home from work. After the ride, took the car out.

VERDICT: The goal has been met. As a reminder, the goal:
The goal; to have the shifter feel and behave like "a brick sh!t house"...like one that mounts directly into the transmission, such as in an F-body, or an older Mustang (T-5 or T45 Transmission).
The shifter feels incredible. It feels like a machine...like a brick shit house. It feels just like the hurst shifter in my friend's '88 5.0. That was my goal that I set in post #1, and I've met that goal handily, I feel.
Unfortunately, part of my goal was not, "no noise". As PISSNUOFF said, noise does come up through the shifter stalk and the noise has increased quite a lot. How much? If the stereo is on, you can't hear it. If the car had an aftermarket exhaust, you wouldn't notice it or be bothered by it, but in a stock car it is definitely noticeable. It doesn't rattle or vibrate, which I'm pretty happy about, but it does transmit bearing and gear noise from the transmission, right up the shift stalk. My feeling about the thing as a whole are mixed. When I'm shifting it, I think, "This is IT!" It's so awesome feeling -it feels like...precision. Like a well engineered device. But when I'm cruising in 6th gear (the noisiest of them all, I think, "This isn't going to work. I need to address the noise." If it were MY car, I'd leave it and put an aftermarket exhaust on it. But it's my wife's car and I know that she won't like it.

WHAT NEXT?
*I can bush the struts...but will that matter with the "Home Depot" bushings? IDK. I haven't seen any feedback about noise on this forum, after installing the HD bushings. Any input on that?
*I can try to bush the shift stalk similar to how it was two pieces originally, but use some stiffer rubber?
* I can put it all back to stock, since I have all the OEM parts still. But I do NOT want to do that; it sucked so bad before. For right now, I'm just going to think about options for a little bit. It sure does feel good though. I'll have to make a vid tomorrow. I just didn't have enough time tonight.

EDIT: When I put the drive shaft in, there was about 1/2" clearance between the shaft, and the bottom of my gate and guide pin.
 
Be sure the shifter strut assembly isn't contacting the trans tunnel. Doubt that's the case, but easiest to fix.
I'd go with a two piece shifter. You can keep all the gate and solid mountings stuff.
Sleeving the gate pin would help a lot too, if you're getting vibrations from the gate/pin contact. Not sure what you could put in there and have it last though...

Great work!!
 
Discussion starter · #69 ·
Kyle, Good ideas. The struts definiltey aren't hitting the tunnel...and there isn't any noise in the floor pan/shifter base area. ALL the noise is coming right out of the shift lever/stalk, as PISSNUOFF predicted. What's crazy is that when the crappy stock shift knob is on, it's way louder. When I pull the knob off, it's not nearly as noisy! That stock shift knob sucks. :( The sleeved gate pin is a good idea, but I also don't know what would last there either.

Hamstar, what do you mean by "offer something up"? Selling them? I don't think that I could sell it until I can figure out how to make it quiet. And, I'm not interested in selling, really....I wanted to post this to show what *I* believe is a good way to improve the feel of what we've got to work with. I'm may slap the stock rubber upper on today and see how that sounds.

Here is a pic of the clearance between the driveshaft, and the shift gate. MAN, those welds are not pretty!...
 
Im rarely on here anymore as the v is long gone. Its interesting to see where things have gone. I will blow my own horn.
I supplied the first shifter to UUC to make the first replacement. It needed all of the help it coiuld get. I also created the first urethane bushing kit for the crappy shifter including the front bushings. I ha s a shoulder bole in the shifter handle though.

Also made the first door lock lifts, radio knobs and gage pods in the ash tray. I was busy back in 2004. Nice to see everyone enjoying all of this stuff.

On the shifter, what I did was a band aid that made a micky mouse remote shifter better! Its became a better bad shifter. What was needed was a trans with a tailshaft that fit the car! But a bigger issue that that is the early differential but thats another story. Good luck all..

Marty
 
Discussion starter · #72 ·
Try dynamat first.
Seriously. That is what this thing needs.

So I cut my shift lever/stalk again, racked the rubber/goober part back onto the upper lever the slid that back down over the lower -basically putting it back to stock (just the shift lever portion. Result? That solved the noise issue completely. THe only remaining noises are driveline chuck or whip, is pretty noticeable when depressing the clutch quickly, and the shifter knob rattles -which it always has. So I believe that the two piece shift lever solves the noise issue. At what expense? Not too much. The quality of the shifting feel is still about the same. The accuracy, precision feeling to it is still there, and there is still no play or slop in the system. There IS, of course, compliance in the rubber in the shifter, so once it's in a gear, you can force the shift lever to bend or deflect some.

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It became a better bad shifter.
Yep. That is what is going on here too, for the most part. The shifter is a total piece of crap. I've made it way better, but in principle, it still sucks. The goal (not my goal in this thread) is to manipulate the internal shift rail. The fewer number of parts and joints you have between your hand, and that internal shift rail, the better. The V probably has 20 pieces between your hand and that rail. It's a joke.
 
Discussion starter · #73 ·
So now I've gone and busted into the shift KNOB. Not including the two pices of "leather", the shift KNOB, is made out of 5 pieces of junk!! I don't know what others think, but in MY mind a shift knob is one piece, w/a cover and maybe separate shift pattern. 5 pieces! Here are 4 of them (shift pattern didn't make it into the pic)



So, the shift knob rattles b/c the part in the middle there, is loose fitting inside the actual molded handle. It is hard plastic and of course the handle is hard plastic too, so the handle moves around like a "bobble head" on the center piece. I whipped up some epoxy and turned the whole thing into one solid unit. Put the leather back on and it's setting up now.

The Mythbusters proved that you CAN, polish a turd! So I am proving it too! :D
 
I wanted to convey a very interesting situation that happened to me this week. 2005 CTS-V cammed, LS7 clutch, 06 rear. 168,000 miles.

Had always had issues hitting reverse, (takes three attempts), I know I have a busted shifter ball socket...usual massive gear slop..

Did the original LS7 Convert about 60k ago, now it was time for replacement clutch, slave also grenaded. Massive vibration while parts where failing.

Installed new Flywheel, Clutch, Pressure Disk, Throw out, and Slave. Vibration gone. Left the shifter assembly apart (where boot frame mounts to center console) because my tabs are broken, and I use a like bead of RTV to seal the boot frame to the center console. Car shifted and ran great. Never had smoother gear engagement, and hitting reverse with no problems.

Then I secured the shifter boot properly. Could not hit 1st or 2nd. Pops out of third and shifter moves to N on its own. Cant hit 6th...and reverse was non existent. Gear travel between all gears was extremely difficult! Can you image that! All from the shifter boot!

So I gently detached the leather of the boot from the knob assembly, and let it sit about a half inch below the knob. So now you can see about a half inch of the shifter metal. Everything is fine, and back to normal.

I can only assume, due to the age of the car (Texas car, cold temps this week) and the shifter boot being loose for a few days allowed it to contract and harden, just like the leather seats, and the leather became the restrictive item.

I fully recommend the aftermarket shifters out there, but you may just want to remove your shifter leather boot frame also to see if that is a contributing factor. If one of my customers brought this vehicle to me, I am pretty sure I would have been recommending a new transmission. Sure opened my eyes up!!
 
Discussion starter · #77 ·
UPDATE: It was a good improvement, but much better craftsmanship would have to be used to make it last. The glue I used to glue the upper shifter to the lower, keeps failing. I've glued the thing at least 4 times.

The guide pin broke off during some very aggressive shifting, which eliminated much of that "precision mechanical" feel. It still shifts good, and much better than it did before (before you couldn't even get it in first or reverse 1/2 the time), but over all, I think the BEST solution to this problem is to reduce the number of parts in the system. I "polished a turd"; I MADE the shitty stock shifter "feel good", by giving the actual shift lever a guide. But it's still a mess.

I wouldn't put any more effort into my version of this shifter (improving what I did). If I pursue this further, what I plan to do is remove and lengthen the internal shift rail, and then attache the shift lever directly to that, through a precision universal joint and shaft, very much like the shifter in the C4, ZF6 transmission.
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Less parts, stronger parts, it's the right way to have a good, strong interface w/the transmission, I feel. That is the way to go, IMO.
 
Based on your lead, I welded tabs (not tubing) to my shifter base, bolted it to the transmission, ditched the gate option but went one further by modifying the shift linkage to capture both sides of the shift shaft coming out of the transmission so that it looks like a hurried but functional version of the linkage outlined in the link below...

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forum...forums/2004-2007-cadillac-cts-v-general/531025-maintenance-overhaul-thread.html

With all this in combination with a 54 shifter, My car shifts comparably well to any massed produced car I've ever owned. Could it be better, sure I guess but it is what it is....a massed produced GM vehicle.

While the route you're proposing seems fascinating to some degree, I can't imagine what a pain in the axx that would be. FuzzyLogic suggested that Tremec will be introducing a new MagnumXL that will have an extended shift rail/tailshaft which would be ideal...

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forum...ms/2004-2007-cadillac-cts-v-performance/557417-best-shifter-07-25-2014-a-2.html
 
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