[the cadillac man]

So there isn't a stock crossover in the amp or the door for the stock 6.5 and tweet? Are the stock door speakers coax?

How is it set up in the front anyway? I haven't gotten a chance to rip the doors yet...

No there isn't stock crossover for the front stage except a low filter which prevents the bass from shredding the door speakers the tweeters has a cheap filter on them to prevent them from blowing from improper range.

 

[CRSO]

No there isn't stock crossover for the front stage except a low filter which prevents the bass from shredding the door speakers the tweeters has a cheap filter on them to prevent them from blowing from improper range.

That's actually perfect... So this Bose stock amps sends out full range. I can get a 2ohm coax with a passive filter and do the same with tweets... Nice.

 

[the cadillac man]

That's actually perfect... So this Bose stock amps sends out full range. I can get a 2ohm coax with a passive filter and do the same with tweets... Nice.

Yep or do like I did with the separate woofer and tweeter which gives better mid bass and midrange and has a separate tweeter for the highs.

The Bose amp does a range from mid bass and up to the door speakers and tweeters but with the sub you wouldn't know they can do full range.

 

[CRSO]

Yep or do like I did with the separate woofer and tweeter which gives better mid bass and midrange and has a separate tweeter for the highs.

The Bose amp does a range from mid bass and up to the door speakers and tweeters but with the sub you wouldn't know they can do full range.

I may do the component but I am seeing that these tweets are extremely harsh...???

 

[the cadillac man]

I may do the component but I am seeing that these tweets are extremely harsh...???

which infinity speakers have you heard that have harsh sounding tweeters?(the only harsh sounding ones that come to my mind is horn tweeters which i don't recommend) my infinity rs-5's which btw have ribbon tweeters is as smooth as silk and the model of infinity car speakers i posted sound as smooth and clear as my rs-5 home speakers(i also have a set in my other car and i haven't noticed any harshness in the highs even with a bit more then the right amount of power going to them.
p.s. i wouldn't recommend infinity if i found a flaw in the speakers they make as i can tell the quality of a speaker by just listening to it (trust me on this i had a set of jbl's my friend's thought sounded good until i told them the flaws)
also infinity speaker have a tendency to show the flaws in your audio equipment so if the source makes the music harsh then the speakers will reproduce the harshness(one reason i have a harmon pardon recover powering my home infinity speakers due to the quality build of the receiver)

here is a link with the specs of the tweeters that are included in the 6030cs set i mentioned.
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-dsfSNkF049D/p_1081031T/Infinity-Reference-1031t.html

of course if you don't like infinity tweeters you can use a ribbon tweeter with the infinity woofer and crossover.
fyi i seen online that the kappa line of infinity speakers has harsh tweeter not the reference line.

 

[CRSO]

which infinity speakers have you heard that have harsh sounding tweeters?(the only harsh sounding ones that come to my mind is horn tweeters which i don't recommend) my infinity rs-5's which btw have ribbon tweeters is as smooth as silk and the model of infinity car speakers i posted sound as smooth and clear as my rs-5 home speakers(i also have a set in my other car and i haven't noticed any harshness in the highs even with a bit more then the right amount of power going to them.
p.s. i wouldn't recommend infinity if i found a flaw in the speakers they make as i can tell the quality of a speaker by just listening to it (trust me on this i had a set of jbl's my friend's thought sounded good until i told them the flaws)
also infinity speaker have a tendency to show the flaws in your audio equipment so if the source makes the music harsh then the speakers will reproduce the harshness(one reason i have a harmon pardon recover powering my home infinity speakers due to the quality build of the receiver)

here is a link with the specs of the tweeters that are included in the 6030cs set i mentioned.
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-dsfSNkF049D/p_1081031T/Infinity-Reference-1031t.html

of course if you don't like infinity tweeters you can use a ribbon tweeter with the infinity woofer and crossover.
fyi i seen online that the kappa line of infinity speakers has harsh tweeter not the reference line.

It was the component set you recommended... There are a few guys online stating that they're a little harsh but they could be idiots... I own a production studio with Dynaudio BM12A's and the Yamaha NS so I'm sure it's nothing that I can't compensate for. I also listen to uncompressed .wav's and lossless files so I'm rather picky. I have B&W in the home.

Infinity is ok for the time being but my rip out will consist of Audison, Morel and/or Mosconi for my soundstage.

I'll get them, listen to some remastered Steely Dan and tell you what I think!

 

[the cadillac man]

It was the component set you recommended... There are a few guys online stating that they're a little harsh but they could be idiots... I own a production studio with Dynaudio BM12A's and the Yamaha NS so I'm sure it's nothing that I can't compensate for. I also listen to uncompressed .wav's and lossless files so I'm rather picky. I have B&W in the home.

Infinity is ok for the time being but my rip out will consist of Audison, Morel and/or Mosconi for my soundstage.

I'll get them, listen to some remastered Steely Dan and tell you what I think!

I have listened to some steely Dan and I think you might like the infinity speaker btw B&W is another great speaker brand but I don't think they make car speakers
Also I have been debating on doing a ribbon mid range and tweeter setup in my truck should my infinity speakers ever give me trouble of course I will have a good quality mid bass driver to match.

 

[sprink60]

Send pics of your set up to tcfire@bellsouth.net. Sounds like you have a solid handle on this I would like to see what you did. Curiously at the Crutchfield site ...they indicate that the speakers you are using are a "no fit" for 2005 Escalade....any cause for concern?

Thanks,

John in West Palm Beach

 

[CRSO]

I have listened to some steely Dan and I think you might like the infinity speaker btw B&W is another great speaker brand but I don't think they make car speakers
Also I have been debating on doing a ribbon mid range and tweeter setup in my truck should my infinity speakers ever give me trouble of course I will have a good quality mid bass driver to match.

Just to clarify, did you use the stock wiring? I noticed that you mounted the crossovers under the front seats.... See, if I start going this route, I'm going to end up just rewiring everything which I have no time for... I still need to assemble my enclosure and run a lot of 00awg / batteries, etc. I need plug and play. Shame on me for not researching more before I got that infinity component set... Maybe I was better off getting a coax for the doors...

So what is the factory amp resistance set up for anyway? 2 ohms?

 

[the cadillac man]

Send pics of your set up to tcfire@bellsouth.net. Sounds like you have a solid handle on this I would like to see what you did. Curiously at the Crutchfield site ...they indicate that the speakers you are using are a "no fit" for 2005 Escalade....any cause for concern?

Thanks,

John in West Palm Beach

They will work as the speaker locations are a drop in fit for 6 1/2 inch speakers
I will send the pics when I am on my computer,

As far as the wiring the tweeters came with enough wiring to reach to under the seat and I just ran a small amount of wire to the door speaker to crossover the rear door speakers and tweeters I didn't have to add wire because of the way they are set up.

 

[CRSO]

They will work as the speaker locations are a drop in fit for 6 1/2 inch speakers
I will send the pics when I am on my computer,

As far as the wiring the tweeters came with enough wiring to reach to under the seat and I just ran a small amount of wire to the door speaker to crossover the rear door speakers and tweeters I didn't have to add wire because of the way they are set up.

TCM, did you install the tweeters inside the door just above the 6.5" THere is a lot of room there.... I can keep the tweets in the pillars and add the tweets to the doors.

 

[the cadillac man]

TCM, did you install the tweeters inside the door just above the 6.5" THere is a lot of room there.... I can keep the tweets in the pillars and add the tweets to the doors.

Nope I used the stock locations in order to get the best imaging from the speaker and tweeters.
I know there is a lot of room but you won't get the best from your speakers that way.

 

[CRSO]

Stock location hardly constitutes the best imaging. When was Bose or GM in the audiophile business? I think you may have thought I'd keep the stock tweets hooked up... No way in hell would I get caught up in multiple point sourcing unless my components have mediocre stage height at the sides. Unless done properly, using the kick tweeters as the main tweets and using the tweets in the pillars in a cross firing scheme it will sound like crap. Since the A pillars are closer to you, you may have to manipulate the polarity to get proper phase between the two sets of tweets. I'm just going to mount the set in the doors and use the stock locations if I have to.

This is another reason many high end systems use a minimal amount of drivers. You net the best possible imaging characteristics and the least number of phase problems to correct. I temporarily considered Coax's. Well, coaxial designs and true point source coaxials (with the tweeter actually resting INSIDE the midrange voice coil) were built on the "point source" premise, and can do a good job in terms of imaging because of this. Standard coaxial designs usually have NO crossover for the midrange, allowing it to roll-off it's freq response on the top naturally. I like components better anyway.

To get proper imaging, the path lengths between your speakers and your ears need to be as close to equal as possible. The escalade by delault has the stock tweeters set off axis and the tweeters should only be used as a second set up as cross firing.... I'd rather put the tweets in the kick and get them set up on axis and have less ear fatigue... I'm not trying to bash you but I am a sound engineer. I consistently downmix tracks on $2,000 Dynaudio's for final production so I know a thing or two about imaging.

Also look at your prefabricated kick panel enclosures... Q-Logic or whatnot... The tweets are in there.

No highs, no lows, gotta be Bose...

 

[the cadillac man]

Stock location hardly constitutes the best imaging. When was Bose or GM in the audiophile business? I think you may have thought I'd keep the stock tweets hooked up... No way in hell would I get caught up in multiple point sourcing unless my components have mediocre stage height at the sides. Unless done properly, using the kick tweeters as the main tweets and using the tweets in the pillars in a cross firing scheme it will sound like crap. Since the A pillars are closer to you, you may have to manipulate the polarity to get proper phase between the two sets of tweets. I'm just going to mount the set in the doors and use the stock locations if I have to.

This is another reason many high end systems use a minimal amount of drivers. You net the best possible imaging characteristics and the least number of phase problems to correct. I temporarily considered Coax's. Well, coaxial designs and true point source coaxials (with the tweeter actually resting INSIDE the midrange voice coil) were built on the "point source" premise, and can do a good job in terms of imaging because of this. Standard coaxial designs usually have NO crossover for the midrange, allowing it to roll-off it's freq response on the top naturally. I like components better anyway.

To get proper imaging, the path lengths between your speakers and your ears need to be as close to equal as possible. The escalade by delault has the stock tweeters set off axis and the tweeters should only be used as a second set up as cross firing.... I'd rather put the tweets in the kick and get them set up on axis and have less ear fatigue... I'm not trying to bash you but I am a sound engineer. I consistently downmix tracks on $2,000 Dynaudio's for final production so I know a thing or two about imaging.

Also look at your prefabricated kick panel enclosures... Q-Logic or whatnot... The tweets are in there.

No highs, no lows, gotta be Bose...

Try little to no midrange, harsh highs and sloppy bass that's how I have found that the Bose speakers sound but I setup mine up with the stock locations for the tweeters for now until I get the time and parts to set mine up with ribbon mid's and tweeters which will have to be positioned different anyway.

But I can tell a difference in imaging because of where the tweeters are reflecting off of the windshield (kinda makes me wonder why gm/Bose did the rear better then the front)

I also can tell a huge difference between the setup I have in my car (which it took me hours to get the tweeters positioned right) to the setup in my truck the range of sound is there but on certain songs the dimension of depth is not as good,

I have been wondering if tweeter pods would make a difference if I don't go to ribbon drivers before too long.

P.s I have infinity rs-5 speakers on my home audio system and it sounds as close to a live performance as a speaker can reproduce,

Also I have a set of Bose home audio speakers and even though they don't sound as great as my infinity speakers they still sound better then the Bose speakers in our trucks plus it is better to use a pod for the tweeter to have it aimed right towards your ear level to get the most out of the setup then to have it reflecting off of the windshield (which is another tech word by Bose called direct reflect technology) the Bose home speakers are a joke compared to my infinity speakers reguardless of which model you compare them to.

 

[the cadillac man]

Also keep in mind that there are multiple mounts included with the tweeters of the infinity speakers and one would allow you to use the stock locations and adjust each tweeters direction to compensate I didn't think about that until now (I am going to adjust mine and see if it helps as they are at ear level just a bit out of position for the sweet spot.

 

[CRSO]

Read neel's post: http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/71092-mounting-tweeters-on-or-off-axis/

 

[the cadillac man]

Read neel's post: http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/71092-mounting-tweeters-on-or-off-axis/

I read the link and someone mentioned it depends on the brand of speakers you use but I have seen worse off axis tweeter mounts(hummer h2 for one Chevy hhr for another) plus it has a lot to do with a little thing us audiophiles have known for years called acoustics which can make even the best speakers sound like crap.
P.s the two suv's I listed has the tweeter firing towards each other which kills the staging all together.

 

[CRSO]

Topper

 

[CRSO]

I read the link and someone mentioned it depends on the brand of speakers you use but I have seen worse off axis tweeter mounts(hummer h2 for one Chevy hhr for another) plus it has a lot to do with a little thing us audiophiles have known for years called acoustics which can make even the best speakers sound like crap.
P.s the two suv's I listed has the tweeter firing towards each other which kills the staging all together.

You have mentioned quite a few times that you are an "audiophile". If so, I'm surprised you're using Infinity speakers as your #1's. Infinity can make some good drivers but are far from top quality... They're ok consumer speakers.... There is a difference in speakers and crap speakers are just that, crap speakers. I can't downmix on a pair of Mackies and compare them to my Yamaha NS10's or Dynaudio's and those are IN a studio setup by an acoustical engineer.

I compete in car audio. Join us over in the caraudio.com forums. Just be sure not to mention JL Audio over there...

Are you a member of headfi?

 

[the cadillac man]

You have mentioned quite a few times that you are an "audiophile". If so, I'm surprised you're using Infinity speakers as your #1's. Infinity can make some good drivers but are far from top quality... They're ok consumer speakers.... There is a difference in speakers and crap speakers are just that, crap speakers. I can't downmix on a pair of Mackies and compare them to my Yamaha NS10's or Dynaudio's and those are IN a studio setup by an acoustical engineer.

I compete in car audio. Join us over in the caraudio.com forums. Just be sure not to mention JL Audio over there...

Are you a member of headfi?

I ask you this have you ever heard any of infinities older speakers mainly the one's with the ribbon tweeter
I have a few sets of the older infinity speakers yes I will admit that the car speakers made from them aren't the same but they are better then most for the price the reason is because of the takeover by harmen kardon
I am only using infinity speakers as a temp until I get my truck paid off then I will go full out with a hybrid ribbon/ cone driver setup, yes I can tell a difference between great and crap.
But I am surprised a lot of people hold Bose to a high standard given the below substandard crap they make.
But I don't think infinity will go back to how they did before the takeover which sucks.
P.s infinity speakers was a top of the line speaker brand beating even some of the top brands on the market today just find someone with a set of infinities IRS betas.