I see you guys had some discussions on the 360 before my thread got removed. The elite 360 costs 479 and the newer not first run machines have a much lower failure rate. You won't even know which systems have the new processors as microsoft isn't even going to advertise it they are just going to update it like sony has in the past with it's many differen ps2s. The ones I have work perfectly and I have had it for nearly two years you just have to have it open to the free air so it isn't given the oppurtunity to overheat. Namely putting it in an enclosed area and the original xbox was like that as well it overheated if you put it in an enclosed area.