I suggest you buy a LYRIQ (not Lyric). The Bugs and Quibbles thread (like any car forum) makes problems seem universal. If you spend time on any car forum, you'll come away with the same impression that the vehicle sucks. Keep doing that and you'll never buy a car. I'm very happy with my LYRIQ.

 

I would not make a decision based on NACS vs. CCS alone. Because of this switch which affects both cars and AC and DC charging equipment, there will be adapters either way for may years to come. And details are honestly still sketchy on when Lyriq will have a NACS plug. All that GM has said is that future EV's will start to incorporate it in 2025 model year. Does that mean Lyriq switches exactly then - I think people might be interpreting GM's statement wrong. I would not be surprised if NACS doesn't make it to Lyriq until a mid cycle refresh. Although just a prototype, Escalade IQ has CCS - will it have NACS in 2025? Would be helpful if GM could clarify NACS plans and timing for each vehicle.

Lyriq is all new in many ways, and definitely has more issues than an established platform. Many of the issues have improved from Debut -> 2023 -> 2024. I'd call 2024 the realistic first model year of this car - with so few Debut's and 2023's. Debut is something more like a finished prototype - lots of rework took place in the factory and elsewhere, and you may get a gem or a problem child. 2023 maybe a bit farther along with a defined process, but still not without issues. 2024 better still, but probably with same software issues to work through - really not a different base except newer infotainment (which the older cars may or may not get). Surely 2025 will have less of the issues, as things continue to get sorted.

If you want to wait for issues to sort and don't have an urgent need for a vehicle, 2025 may be wise move. You might also be rewarded with things that haven't made it yet, like the fancy HUD - or phone as key. Always a balance between waiting for something better, or enjoying now.

 

I would not make a decision based on NACS vs. CCS alone. Because of this switch which affects both cars and AC and DC charging equipment, there will be adapters either way for may years to come. And details are honestly still sketchy on when Lyriq will have a NACS plug. All that GM has said is that future EV's will start to incorporate it in 2025 model year. Does that mean Lyriq switches exactly then - I think people might be interpreting GM's statement wrong. I would not be surprised if NACS doesn't make it to Lyriq until a mid cycle refresh. Although just a prototype, Escalade IQ has CCS - will it have NACS in 2025? Would be helpful if GM could clarify NACS plans and timing for each vehicle.

Lyriq is all new in many ways, and definitely has more issues than an established platform. Many of the issues have improved from Debut -> 2023 -> 2024. I'd call 2024 the realistic first model year of this car - with so few Debut's and 2023's. Debut is something more like a finished prototype - lots of rework took place in the factory and elsewhere, and you may get a gem or a problem child. 2023 maybe a bit farther along with a defined process, but still not without issues. 2024 better still, but probably with same software issues to work through - really not a different base except newer infotainment (which the older cars may or may not get). Surely 2025 will have less of the issues, as things continue to get sorted.

If you want to wait for issues to sort and don't have an urgent need for a vehicle, 2025 may be wise move. You might also be rewarded with things that haven't made it yet, like the fancy HUD - or phone as key. Always a balance between waiting for something better, or enjoying now.

 

I really want a Lyriq though…

None of these are reasons to really avoid the car. It's fantastic.
As for the NACS thing. The adapter will provide no issue, and the CCS network is more than capable in the interim.

 

I echo "fantastic". The Lyriq is an amazing vehicle. Although I am glad I waited for the 2024 Lyriq - I wanted the AWD towing capability - I don't think future improvements would make the car evan fantasticer! Although, I suppose a super-performance version might be attractive to many, the AWD version has amazing performance, and it is so quiet and refined, and has so many features bullt on the shoulders of our tech world that its going to be the standard of the future. Tesla braved the way with fantastic cars, inherited by the Lyriq, but their missing bits are in the Lyriq. I love the beast. The various computer fixes are trivial to worry about.

 

If you aren't in the queue already, odds of getting a 2024 are ticking down day by day anyway. If you think you might want one, go ahead and jump in line. You'll have several months (at the least) before you have to make any sort of final decision. That's just what EV shopping is now for a lot of people.

Aside from that: Any forum you look at for any particular car is going to have more prevalence of people-with-problems than people-without-problems. It's good to be aware of the kinds of things that you might experience and how to address them, but it's difficult from a pile of anecdotes to gauge what % of the overall fleet might be having a specific issue.

 

Just thinking out loud, for who knows might yet buy a 2024 Lyric…

The issues you see now will probably be addressed in the very near future. However, every vehicle has a few problem areas and the Lyriq won't be different. But those are always going to be there.

Access to the supercharger network is a big deal but you won't need a new port for that. You can use an adapter to charge a Tesla at a CCS DC charger. Works fine and costs about $150 IIRC. Should be the same for vehicles with a J1772 CCS port. My guess this will take until summer of 2024 to get sorted. Just a guess.

You didn't mention V2H. That could also be a reason to wait but seems like the setup will be pricey and specific to GM vehicles.

Unless you have a long commute a Lyriq seems like a very large DD.

 

Reasons to wait for a 2025 Lyriq:

• You really want head-up display.
• You really want Phone as a Key.
• You really want the NACS plug.
• You probably were not going to get one before then anyway.

 

I really want a Lyriq though…

*It is not as if I need a replacement vehicle for my DD right now for it is an excellent, e.g., 2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime plug in that gets us an average of 42 miles of all electric use before it auto-converts to gas usage.


Just thinking out loud, for who knows might yet buy a 2024 Lyric…

So you will trade a super reliable but very noisy, rough riding with a cheap interior and ear bleeding audio system (I owned a 21 Prime SE and 21 Prime XSE back in 2021) for a smooth riding, quiet, quick, near lux interior EV like the Lyriq? Hmm... I think I want to hate life and keep driving the R4P.

 

Reasons not to wait for a 2025 model:
Price might go up
No Apple CarPlay/Android Auto (which might be a deal-killer for my wife - and this car is for her)

 

I think price going up would almost be a guarantee. Does anyone remember the last time a new model year decreasing in price?

 

Thanks. Will do

 

If GM is targeting 50K - 80K Lyriq sales/year, then they may have to cut the price. Tesla Model Y is selling on a cadence of well north of 250K/year after their cuts. They had dropped to only 121K units with their higher 2022 pricing. If the Model Y sets the floor, then the Lyriq is not going to sell in big numbers with GV70 pressure at a similar price, the Audi Q4 e-Tron slightly undercutting it, and the iX pricing at the next step up.

I would not be surprised to see both Cadillac and BMW do $10K price cuts on their respective BEVs. But, Cadillac won't do it until they are able to manufacture north of a few hundred thousand units/year, like around 2025.

 

I would not be surprised to see both Cadillac and BMW do $10K price cuts on their respective BEVs. But, Cadillac won't do it until they are able to manufacture north of a few hundred thousand units/year, like around 2025.

When customers are lined up waiting on the product there is no point in cutting the price. Always true but in the case of GM any price cut at this point will simply result in additional ADM.

Do you know the status of the tax credit for 2024? Haven't seen anything definitive.

I don't think the Lyriq competes directly with the Model Y. The Model Y is more directly comparable to the Mach-E or the EV6. Just different sizes. I haven't driven a Lyriq but from all reports it's a different beast. Larger and more tuned to luxury than performance. It's more comparable to the Model X. The Lyriq occupies a nice position given it's price. Unfortunate GM hasn't been able to execute.

I doubt the iX will be much competition unless BMW can sell it for $75K, which is unlikely to occur, notwithstanding the current fire sale. The Germans seem to be delusional with their pricing. My guess is the most direct competitor would be the Volvo EX90.

 

The competition has announced new battery technology which charges faster and has a much, much longer range. Maybe GM will head that direction.

 

Still at least a couple of years away from production.

 

Agreed also OTA will be smoother as the nerds get smarter

 

Drove an AWD with 20’s this morning. First time I was every inside one. It was very impressive. Everything worked beautifully. Cornered far better than I thought (had it in sport mode). Great looking in both my opinion and my wife’s. And as we left the dealership our salesperson said he thought he could have it exactly as we wanted probably March or April (revised from May/June his earlier estimate), adding that he would call me in about 6-7 weeks when his first Celestial Metallic arrives. A really good day today!

 

I really want a Lyriq though…

*It is not as if I need a replacement vehicle for my DD right now for it is an excellent, e.g., 2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime plug in that gets us an average of 42 miles of all electric use before it auto-converts to gas usage.

*Reading day after day here of our imo most important thread (72 pages, 97,000 views and tons of repeat issues owners are having): Bugs and quibbles thread.

Maybe/hopefully by the start of 2025 Lyric production the Q&B thread will be down to just a one new post a week.

*Also this GM June announcement that starting 2025 models that GM will be phasing in the NACS connector into production.

{Quote=prnewswire]The Tesla Supercharger Network will be open to GM EV drivers starting in 2024 and will initially require the use of an adapter. Beginning in 2025, the first GM EVs will be built with a NACS inlet for direct access to Tesla Superchargers without an adapter. In the future, GM will make adapters available for drivers of NACS-enabled vehicles to allow charging on CCS-capable fast charge stations.

General Motors Doubles Down on Commitment to a Unified Charging Standard and Expands Charging Access to Tesla Supercharger Network

/PRNewswire/ -- General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM) announced today a collaboration with Tesla to integrate the North American Charging Standard (NACS) connector...

www.prnewswire.com

Just thinking out loud, for who knows might yet buy a 2024 Lyric…
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Of course if you wait for a 2026, you could get even more. But even better, a 2027……. Kind of like waiting for the latest technology computer.

 

I really want a Lyriq though…

*It is not as if I need a replacement vehicle for my DD right now for it is an excellent, e.g., 2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime plug in that gets us an average of 42 miles of all electric use before it auto-converts to gas usage.

*Reading day after day here of our imo most important thread (72 pages, 97,000 views and tons of repeat issues owners are having): Bugs and quibbles thread.

Maybe/hopefully by the start of 2025 Lyric production the Q&B thread will be down to just a one new post a week.

*Also this GM June announcement that starting 2025 models that GM will be phasing in the NACS connector into production.

{Quote=prnewswire]The Tesla Supercharger Network will be open to GM EV drivers starting in 2024 and will initially require the use of an adapter. Beginning in 2025, the first GM EVs will be built with a NACS inlet for direct access to Tesla Superchargers without an adapter. In the future, GM will make adapters available for drivers of NACS-enabled vehicles to allow charging on CCS-capable fast charge stations.

General Motors Doubles Down on Commitment to a Unified Charging Standard and Expands Charging Access to Tesla Supercharger Network

/PRNewswire/ -- General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM) announced today a collaboration with Tesla to integrate the North American Charging Standard (NACS) connector...

www.prnewswire.com

I heard thru the grapevine there would be a 25 Lyriq with over 400 mile range for over $100,000. They need to fix the first ones first
Just thinking out loud, for who knows might yet buy a 2024 Lyric…
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General Motors Doubles Down on Commitment to a Unified Charging Standard and Expands Charging Access to Tesla Supercharger Network

/PRNewswire/ -- General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM) announced today a collaboration with Tesla to integrate the North American Charging Standard (NACS) connector...

www.prnewswire.com

I heard thru the grapevine there would be a 25 Lyriq with over 400 mile range for over $100,000. They need to fix the first ones first
Just thinking out loud, for who knows might yet buy a 2024 Lyric…

That over 400 mile range $100K Lyriq in 2025 is the Escalade IQ.

 

Does this mean you guys will let it lie and more on to other things, he said hopefully.

 

330 miles at 70mph for the Lyriq RWD is excellent.

The Cadillac Lyriq Demonstrates Amazing Highway Driving Range (insideevs.com)

But BMW's drivetrain is more efficient and went 345 miles with AWD (iX x50) at 70mph with the same efficiency as the RWD Lyriq. And the iX xDrive50 is wickedly fast too (0 to 60 in 4.0s)

2022 BMW iX xDrive50: InsideEVs 70 MPH Range Test

I think Caddy should ditch the permanent magnet front motor in the refresh. So back to the topic... you can wait to get better motor tech

 

The RWD Lyriq will give you AT LEAST 50+ miles more range THAN ANY MODEL Y.

My wife's 2021 Telsa Model Y Long Range AWD regularly gets 315 miles on a 100% charge. So your statement isn't entirely accurate. My wife's Model Y is also less expensive than a new Lyriq, accelerates much faster than a Lyriq, and pretty much drives her to work every day from our driveway with FSD. The Model Y's A/C is about as bad as the Lyriq's, it's noisy and bumpy to drive, doesn't have CarPlay, and neither has a HUD. Each car has strengths and weaknesses, and they're also very different cars from each other, so comparisons are difficult. But anyone who thinks the Lyriq is some stellar improvement over a Tesla Model Y is not paying attention. Perhaps the 2025 model will finally get there, assuming there is a 2025 model year. The Lyric could very easily be Cadillac's next ELR/CT6.

I heard thru the grapevine there would be a 25 Lyriq with over 400 mile range for over $100,000.

By "grapevine" did you mean "the Internet"? There's lots of nonsense floating out there across the Intertubes, and this is one of them. Very likely confused the Lyriq with the new Escalade IQ.

 

I really want a Lyriq though…

*It is not as if I need a replacement vehicle for my DD right now for it is an excellent, e.g., 2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime plug in that gets us an average of 42 miles of all electric use before it auto-converts to gas usage.

*Reading day after day here of our imo most important thread (72 pages, 97,000 views and tons of repeat issues owners are having): Bugs and quibbles thread.

Maybe/hopefully by the start of 2025 Lyric production the Q&B thread will be down to just a one new post a week.

*Also this GM June announcement that starting 2025 models that GM will be phasing in the NACS connector into production.

{Quote=prnewswire]The Tesla Supercharger Network will be open to GM EV drivers starting in 2024 and will initially require the use of an adapter. Beginning in 2025, the first GM EVs will be built with a NACS inlet for direct access to Tesla Superchargers without an adapter. In the future, GM will make adapters available for drivers of NACS-enabled vehicles to allow charging on CCS-capable fast charge stations.

General Motors Doubles Down on Commitment to a Unified Charging Standard and Expands Charging Access to Tesla Supercharger Network

/PRNewswire/ -- General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM) announced today a collaboration with Tesla to integrate the North American Charging Standard (NACS) connector...

www.prnewswire.com

Just thinking out loud, for who knows might yet buy a 2024 Lyric…
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I purchased a 2024 lyriq three months ago and have had dozens of software issues. I suggest you wait until 2025

 

I agree

I really want a Lyriq though…

*It is not as if I need a replacement vehicle for my DD right now for it is an excellent, e.g., 2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime plug in that gets us an average of 42 miles of all electric use before it auto-converts to gas usage.

*Reading day after day here of our imo most important thread (72 pages, 97,000 views and tons of repeat issues owners are having): Bugs and quibbles thread.

Maybe/hopefully by the start of 2025 Lyric production the Q&B thread will be down to just a one new post a week.

*Also this GM June announcement that starting 2025 models that GM will be phasing in the NACS connector into production.

{Quote=prnewswire]The Tesla Supercharger Network will be open to GM EV drivers starting in 2024 and will initially require the use of an adapter. Beginning in 2025, the first GM EVs will be built with a NACS inlet for direct access to Tesla Superchargers without an adapter. In the future, GM will make adapters available for drivers of NACS-enabled vehicles to allow charging on CCS-capable fast charge stations.

General Motors Doubles Down on Commitment to a Unified Charging Standard and Expands Charging Access to Tesla Supercharger Network

/PRNewswire/ -- General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM) announced today a collaboration with Tesla to integrate the North American Charging Standard (NACS) connector...

www.prnewswire.com

Just thinking out loud, for who knows might yet buy a 2024 Lyric…
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I recommend waiting after going to the dealership and seeing three Lyriqs available for immediate purchase. The look, I fear is going to be restyled, as the longer I look at it, the more I think of the Pontiac Aztec styling--the front a bit like a 1970 Imperial and the longer I look at the rear and visualize a 1959 Cadillac with a Toyota Prius rear end on top of it the more I think, UGH.

 

I'm curious as to what changes there will be for the 2025 Cadillac Lyriq. The Order guide for the 2024 model, was revealed I believe January of 2023. Maybe now they will add a HUD or more options/ packages. Crazy that, my 24 Lyriq will be delivered in January, which is right around the time or right before the 2025 model year will be revealed.

 

One change they've made, apparently, is to eliminate CarPlay.

 

Imagine how much better the 2026 will be, and the 2027 will be even better, and the 2028…………

 

Yep, you can always wait for the new and improved new model year. Except when they start de-contenting to keep costs down. New and improved isn't always "improved".

 

It's a personal decision that depends on your situation. There are certainly valid reasons to wait. There seem to be a variety of issues with the software and the build. Not all features promised or expected are delivered and working (surround vision and dashcam/surround vision recordercamera, etc.). And prices will certainly come down as will interest rates.

But if you either need a new vehicle or just are desperate to have the Lyriq, nothing wrong with getting one.

 

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;-)

 

Yeah I am waiting until 2026 to pull the trigger on getting my first EV. The Lyriq is top of my list followed by the Kia EV9. Rivian fell off my list because to ME it is too much of a niche brand/vehicle geared towards outdoor adventuring types and I am a City Boy....

 

Why?
If you keep waiting, you'll never make it. Won't be anything earth shattering between the DE and 2030.
What's available today is more than acceptable.