Who Has Cam Only?

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vettethret

Discussion Starter · May 23, 2007

I have ordered almost all the goodies or this car, kooks headers with off road pipe, DMH cutouts, getting a dyno tune, Coil overs etc. I am thinking of putting a big ass cam in the car seeing as I'll have it another two years. Has anyone one here done cam only? If so, what were the rwhp numbers and how big was the cam?:thumbsup:

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04CTSVFLA

· #2 · May 23, 2007

ehh to big cams. get a medium size cam that makes power fast and is good on the street...that way ull win races instead of losing them

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I know a kid with an ss (yes I know slightly different) with a smaller cam who works a kid with an ss with a larger cam...although the kid makes more peak hp...my friends makes the power better given the gearing etc....something you may want to take into account. Plus theres less to worry about when going with a smaller cam (fatigue etc)

vettethret

Discussion Starter · #3 · May 23, 2007

04CTSVFLA said:
ehh to big cams. get a medium size cam that makes power fast and is good on the street...that way ull win races instead of losing them .

I know a kid with an ss (yes I know slightly different) with a smaller cam who works a kid with an ss with a larger cam...although the kid makes more peak hp...my friends makes the power better given the gearing etc....something you may want to take into account. Plus theres less to worry about when going with a smaller cam (fatigue etc)

My thinking, and I'm not too brite so bear with me, is that with a bigger cam, I would make more power up top, which would mean less spinning down low. Most of my vettes I've done blowers and never a head cam, so I'm ignorant on it. The bottom line, I want the cam that will give me the fastest street car. Any suggestions?

04CTSVFLA

· #4 · May 24, 2007

These are all popular mild street cams....taken from ls1tech

TR224 .563/.563 112 +4
TR 224 .561/.561 114+4
Comps 224 .581/.581 112
TSP 231/237 .598/.595 112+2
G5X2 232/240 .595/.609 112 or 114+4
G5X3: specs unreleased but bigger then the X2
TR Trex 242/248 .608/.612 110+2
FMS FM4 226/226 .575/.575 112 or 114
FMS FM 10 228/228 .581/.581 112 or 114
FMS FM 13 230/232 .591/.585 112 or 114
02+ LS6 cam 204/218 .551/.547 117.5
LPE GT2-3 207/220 .578/.581 118.5
GM HotCam 219/228 .525/.525 112
TSP 225/225 .589/.589 112
TSP 233/ 233 .595/.595 112
MS3 237/242 .603/.609 113+0
TSP 233/239 .598/.603 113
FM14 232/234 .600/.600 110, 112, or 114 lsa

220 to 230 duration, .550 to .590, 112 or 114 cam is considered good starter cams, again, depending on application

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HushH

· #5 · May 24, 2007

Nice list but I would scratch the MS3 and TREX cams as being mild.

austin

· #6 · May 24, 2007

I have seen several folks report 427-rwhp with 228/228 .581/.581 (114).

RamAir02

· #7 · May 24, 2007

I had a 2000 Trans Am with the FM13 cam from Futral Motorsports for a while. It put down 412 rwhp with all the supporting bolt ons (ported TB, headers, catback, etc...).

I then moved on to a heads and cam package. I went with the Patriot 243 casting heads and the Texas Speed MS4 cam. Although this cam is HUGE, it was very well mannered and I drove the car everyday. This setup put down just over 450 to the wheels. EXCELLENT SETUP. Could've definitely squeezed some more out of it with some better flowing heads (or non GM castings).

I love ALL MOTOR.

Keep in mind this is all in a 4th gen F-Body, so numbers may not coincide with those of our V's...and that was the LS1 motor as opposed to our LS6/LS2's (but we all know its basically the same sh!t)

vettethret

Discussion Starter · #8 · May 24, 2007

RamAir02 said:
I had a 2000 Trans Am with the FM13 cam from Futral Motorsports for a while. It put down 412 rwhp with all the supporting bolt ons (ported TB, headers, catback, etc...).

I then moved on to a heads and cam package. I went with the Patriot 243 casting heads and the Texas Speed MS4 cam. Although this cam is HUGE, it was very well mannered and I drove the car everyday. This setup put down just over 450 to the wheels. EXCELLENT SETUP. Could've definitely squeezed some more out of it with some better flowing heads (or non GM castings).

I love ALL MOTOR.

Keep in mind this is all in a 4th gen F-Body, so numbers may not coincide with those of our V's...and that was the LS1 motor as opposed to our LS6/LS2's (but we all know its basically the same sh!t)

I was actually going to put the MS3 in my last Vette before I did the blower. I have to check out the MS4 specs.:thumbsup:

RamAir02

· #9 · May 24, 2007

vettethret said:
I was actually going to put the MS3 in my last Vette before I did the blower. I have to check out the MS4 specs.:thumbsup:

239/242 .649/.609 111 LSA

I honestly believe this is among the BEST options for the LS-series motors.

The TTP Equalizer camshafts may be the only comparable sticks, but I don't believe they ever released the specs to the public :lol: They're very secretive, but always produce good results.

This is just my opinion though. It seems everyone falls in love with one cam in their lifetime, and will back it under any circumstances :worship:

vettethret

Discussion Starter · #10 · May 24, 2007

RamAir02 said:
239/242 .649/.609 111 LSA

I honestly believe this is among the BEST options for the LS-series motors.

The TTP Equalizer camshafts may be the only comparable sticks, but I don't believe they ever released the specs to the public :lol: They're very secretive, but always produce good results.

This is just my opinion though. It seems everyone falls in love with one cam in their lifetime, and will back it under any circumstances :worship:

I would love a huge cam, It's great when the car shakes. I wonder what kind of rwhp you would get with that cam, a good tune, and the bolt ons? I headed over to texas speeds sight now.

trukk

· #11 · May 24, 2007

vettethret said:
My thinking, and I'm not too brite so bear with me, is that with a bigger cam, I would make more power up top, which would mean less spinning down low. Most of my vettes I've done blowers and never a head cam, so I'm ignorant on it. The bottom line, I want the cam that will give me the fastest street car. Any suggestions?

You might be on to something here for our application. I think in cars that can handle it (i.e. don't have a chia pet for a diff) lower peak but more power under the curve is the way to go. But for us, it may be a bit of insureance to not have a ridiculous ammount down low.

I seem to recall that Dean400hp put in a 'torquer' cam speced by PatrickG over on ls1tech, and ended up pulling it out as it had too much down low.

My concern with going with one of the really agressive cam's is how they would play as daily driver. I suppose I could get used to the serious lope, and could get rid of the low RPM sputter-splat-surge with a good (read expensive) tune. How often would you have to change valve springs, and do maintenance etc, with the more severe lobe ramp rates? ( I drive about 20k miles per year on my car, and don't want to do major surgery every 6 months to it)

This is just me talking out loud. This car is my first 'muscle' car, and I haven't done a cam yet, so take my comments for what they are worth

Let us know what you decide.

-Chris

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vettethret

Discussion Starter · #12 · May 24, 2007

RamAir02 said:
239/242 .649/.609 111 LSA

I honestly believe this is among the BEST options for the LS-series motors.

The TTP Equalizer camshafts may be the only comparable sticks, but I don't believe they ever released the specs to the public :lol: They're very secretive, but always produce good results.

This is just my opinion though. It seems everyone falls in love with one cam in their lifetime, and will back it under any circumstances :worship:

SERIOUSLY thinking of ordering this cam today. I love the low end torque in cars (especially my Viper), but with these weak ass rear ends it doesnt make sense. I'll only have this for another two years so I'm not dropping a grip on a new rear. With the speed density tuning today, you can make very large cams idle very well. I'm going to call the corvette shop now.:thumbsup:

RamAir02

· #13 · May 24, 2007

The MS4 has a very high powerband, so it may be optimal for our cars. I LOVED it in my WS6. It doesn't make crazy power down low, but once the RPMs start climbing and the car starts pulling you find yourself asking how much longer and harder it can pull for...and it just keeps pulling longer and harder! ((no ****))

Florian

· #14 · May 24, 2007

why just cam??? put heads on there. If youre gonna lift em longer, let em breathe better.

F

vettethret

Discussion Starter · #15 · May 24, 2007

RamAir02 said:
The MS4 has a very high powerband, so it may be optimal for our cars. I LOVED it in my WS6. It doesn't make crazy power down low, but once the RPMs start climbing and the car starts pulling you find yourself asking how much longer and harder it can pull for...and it just keeps pulling longer and harder! ((no ****))

How was the car in traffic? Would you consider putting one in your V?:thumbsup:

vettethret

Discussion Starter · #16 · May 24, 2007

Florian said:
why just cam??? put heads on there. If youre gonna lift em longer, let em breathe better.

F

Because I'm only going to have the car another 2 years and I'm not putting a bunch of dough in it. 5k total on my motor is max. I've alredy got the coil overs, uuc shifter etc.

RamAir02

· #17 · May 24, 2007

The car was great in traffic. It really is all in the tune, but the cam was well mannered enough for me to drive about 30 minutes away untuned. After the tune, the car drove incredibly. The only thin that bothered me a little bit was when slowing down very quickly (braking hard) and taking it out of gear, the RPMs would drop to like 400 as you stopped and then quickly jump back up to idle (about 900 RPMs). On occasion (maybe once or twice a month) the car would stall in reverse because of this reason (the revs would drop real low and not be able to jump back up). Really no biggie though. The car was great in traffic even with the A/C on full blast. I loved the cam.

Florian

· #18 · May 24, 2007

vettethret said:
Because I'm only going to have the car another 2 years and I'm not putting a bunch of dough in it. 5k total on my motor is max. I've alredy got the coil overs, uuc shifter etc.

nuff said.

F

ryneV

· #19 · May 24, 2007

RamAir02 said:
The MS4 has a very high powerband, so it may be optimal for our cars. I LOVED it in my WS6. It doesn't make crazy power down low, but once the RPMs start climbing and the car starts pulling you find yourself asking how much longer and harder it can pull for...and it just keeps pulling longer and harder! ((no ****))

The fact is, making big top end hp and no low end tq. is a loser in these cars. I have the best of both worlds, a stroker with big low end tq. and big top end hp. Can't really hook up either on the street at WOT. Also, how often are you guys screaming at 6,500 rpm vs. idle to 5,500??????? That's where it's at on a street car. I would gladly give up 10-20 rwhp up top (5800+rpm) for 30-40 more rwt and hp from idle to 5,500. Just a thought from someone that's been there a few times.

vettethret

Discussion Starter · #20 · May 24, 2007

ryneV said:
The fact is, making big top end hp and no low end tq. is a loser in these cars. I have the best of both worlds, a stroker with big low end tq. and big top end hp. Can't really hook up either on the street at WOT. Also, how often are you guys screaming at 6,500 rpm vs. idle to 5,500??????? That's where it's at on a street car. I would gladly give up 10-20 rwhp up top (5800+rpm) for 30-40 more rwt and hp from idle to 5,500. Just a thought from someone that's been there a few times.

I totally agree with you in a vette/viper configuration. This car has bike tires with a weak ass rear end. I would rather have it mid to high in the RPM band. A race is a race and the car would live up there in that scenario. I'm agreeing with you 100% about the torques down low, just not on this car with the amount of money I'm willing to spend!:thumbsup:

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