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I had a white 1991 Acura Legend coupe, the car was (i sold it) in really good shape, the paint just did not hold up. The car swirled really easily and the paint was already oxidized on certain parts of the hood and roof. As a rule I wax my cars every month and wash them every week. No matter what I did I could not get rid of the oxidation and the swirls, I even used my porter cable on it, nothing worked.

I see other Acura/Honda products do the same thing as mine but usually worse, where the entire car gets a chalky appearance. I vote Acura has the worst paint out of all the Japanese luxury brands. The car cost $30,000 new and cars that cost much less don't do this.
 

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Ford's paint (at least in the late '80's) wasn't good either. My dad's Bronco had large sections of paint that just came off. When day I was standing on the running board and noticed that there was a softball sized section on the roof that had no paint at all!

My wife's old Nissan Altima had some really weak paint too. Very thin.
 

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Ford had really bad paint in the 80s because my dad had an 89 Taurus and all the top surfaces of the car began to turn white (it looked like it had racing stripes). Now I see Fords from the 90s and early 2000s that have paint where the clear coat is cracking. Yeah GM and Chrysler had their horrible years for paint problems too.
 

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Mid 80's- Early '90s Domestics in general. I think Ford had it worst, but I hear that the early '90s GM cars have it bad, especially when in a dark color (Nightwolf) its very sad to see :(
 

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My Rovers were terrible for it.

Particularly on a 1993 214i I had. It was like this from new, but heres a picture taken in the summer before my sister got rid.

If you look closely enough, on the bumper at the right hand side, there is a patch of the paint that is whiter than the rest.

It was all over the front of the bumper, I didnt notice until a few weeks after delivery, took it back to the dealer and their response was "You signed for it, theyre all like that, your problem"

 

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SilverFleetwood85 said:
Ford had really bad paint in the 80s because my dad had an 89 Taurus and all the top surfaces of the car began to turn white (it looked like it had racing stripes). Now I see Fords from the 90s and early 2000s that have paint where the clear coat is cracking. Yeah GM and Chrysler had their horrible years for paint problems too.
I'll second that about Fords. After only three years they got chalky. The rubberized paint on the bumpers peeled easily too.
 

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All of GM's early basecoat/clear coat paints.

Starting around 1987 or so... it was all the colors... the silver on my '89 Oldsmobile was totally shot.

by the early 90's it was just the darker colors...

the Slate Bronze Metallic on the '93 Coupe is getting worse and worse everyday... looks like crap.
 

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No question. Corsicas. White ones especially. The 95s got a little better, the final year 96 the paint was actually pretty good. But before that it was a nightmare. GM actually offered to have many them repainted, and when GM does something like that you know it was a bad problem.
 

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Volkswagons & Isuzu
Older Volkswagens yes, I do believe the Isuzus don't look great, or at least the Troopers have galvanised steel panels, they are nearly 5mm thick, and that may be why the paint is hammerite looking.
 

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Late 80s anything american.

My IROC is a good example.

For a while they made them in Norwood, Ohio as well as Van Nuys, California.
If you get one from Norwood the paint will likely be ok.
If you get a Van Nuys car (which they all were from 88 on) you will get your clear coat turning white and paint flaking off.

The reason for it is the tyype of poaint used.
The Van Nuys cars used water based paint as it is more enviromentally friendly and they just didn't get the composition right first time. It was early days though.

I had to get my 88 IROC resprayed last year.


Mind you, paint on most mass produced modern cars is scary thin.
I noticed it on the Ford Focus, on edges (eg of the doors) it can be so thin you can polish through it.
 

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Chevys from the end of the Roger Smith era. Awful.
Early 90s Chryslers in black or purple.
Acura Legends
Dodge Caravans in certain colors.
80s and early 90s Honda Accords -- While the paint didnt flake or peel, it was a very thin layer that faded easily. The rust problem made the paint problem seem like nothing.
 

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You guys are missing the common thread, mid eighties to early ninties, brand doesn't matter. The paint companies were scrambling to meet the new EPA standards while maintaining a glossy finish. The chemistry just wasn't up to the challange yet. It had zero to do with who screwed the car together, it was just a matter of technology catching up.;)
 

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Randy_W said:
You guys are missing the common thread, mid eighties to early ninties, brand doesn't matter. The paint companies were scrambling to meet the new EPA standards while maintaining a glossy finish. The chemistry just wasn't up to the challange yet. It had zero to do with who screwed the car together, it was just a matter of technology catching up.;)
Yup, they had to leave out the lead in the paint to meet EPA standards. That screwed up the quality. I think they finally improved that with new technologies in new additives. But you can only tell in 10 years from now...
 

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Randy_W said:
You guys are missing the common thread, mid eighties to early ninties, brand doesn't matter. The paint companies were scrambling to meet the new EPA standards while maintaining a glossy finish. The chemistry just wasn't up to the challange yet. It had zero to do with who screwed the car together, it was just a matter of technology catching up.;)
Yeah... pretty much. :)
 

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So is there a definitive list of dates when the new paint was being used? Was it all at once integrated or was it by different colors over a period of time or what? I want to know, my 90 was built in late '89.
 

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I would have to say *MOST* (not all) cars made from ~1985-~1995 that had basecoat/clear coat paint.

I know my mothers '89 Brougham has Laquer (according to the sticker) yet my '89 Oldsmobile had BC/CC
 
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