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I thought Caddy was to introduce new models every three months. With the XTS and CT6 practically gone or unattainable, where are the next models worthy of becoming a Cadillac Luxury Liner. You cant be making executives ride around in those little Chevy Malibu looking cars
 

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The GM strike has killed any new model rollouts for now. Seems as though all anyone is interested is the SUV's so apparently, that's Cadillac's priority as well. They had a '20 XT6 ($59k) at Costco yesterday alongside some sort of Volvo clone.
 

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Sorry... better get an XTS or CT6 while you still can.
CT4 and CT5 are going to be it going forward.

Sedan sales have collapsed to the point that they are 30% of the market and dropping fast.
It wasn't that long ago that they were over 50% of the market.

I have little interest in CUVs myself. It is women that drive the sales of them.
They have outsized influence... some 80% of all sales are by or influenced by women.
I do like SUVs based on trucks, though. I've had a couple.
 

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The UAW is fighting for it's life. Between ongoing investigations of corruption allegations of its leadership, (Surprise: NOT!) to guaranteed job security, (Who gets to negotiate for that as a "right" anyway?!) the future has big changes in store for the auto-building workforce.

Like most of you, my workplace has an HR system that is responsive and has no taste for employee lawsuits, so the incentive is to take care of the employees rather than take a cut out of their paychecks for "honest" representation. Unions exist to serve their self-interests, just like career politicians.

GM has embraced electrification for its next batch of future vehicles, which means simpler propulsion systems, equating to fewer workers needed to build vehicles. They do not need the numbers of workers they once required. This shift in production strategy and the outcome of the current labor dispute will have major repercussions for years. Industrial revolution requires industrial evolution to survive.

As for new models, expect GM to deliver what sells as they phase out combustion engines. Sedans are not selling and the replacements aren't going to change the sales situation (or raise the bar over the vehicles they replace.) The arriving V models are shadows of their former selves. The future of the CT6 is very shaky, and it has never sold well, so a replacement for it makes little sense. The public is not clamoring for electric cars; the bean counters are. Self-Driving cars are little more than a gimmick for early adopters at this point.

The auto industry is changing and Cadillac owners craving the luxo-barge feel of yore are in the minority. I may pick up a 2019 CT6 CPO when the depreciation reaches half of the MSRP, but am reasonably sure, there won't be a full-size sedan with an ICE replacement when the CT6 completes its production run.

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You know, they missed the boat on the CUV & SUV market. Seems as we went thru all this before. We all loved our gas guzzlers back in the 60's & early 70's, GM gave us them. Toyota, Datsun, were cheap disposable cars that only people that couldn't afford the guzzlers bought, Until the price of gas went thru the roof, and the lines at the pumps. Everyone wanted a compact gas saver. GM missed that boat. They tried and made cars that no one wants to remember. Way too LATE.
Gas prices fell, there is GM Ford Chysler with those Pintos, K Cars, Barretta. Everyone was looking for Larger Reliable Sedans, Pickup's. GM missed that boat too. Datsun became Nissan, Infinitti, Toyota took on Lexus, Honda had some nice trucks, Lexus Toyota Datsun Infinitti started making Luxury cars and trucks,
And the BIG 3 went bust.
WE, THE PEOPLE, bailed them out. All three were dead. Took them many years stand back up. Gas prices still low, Everyone wants the SUV's CUV's Large Sedans. That is all that sells. I understand 2018 sales went this way. #1 XT5 #2 Escalade #3 XTS. Their best selling sedan of late, is banging on heavens door.
Cadillac is hanging onto their mini sedans??
 

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The arriving V models are shadows of their former selves.
IMO, the Blackwing V's are going to be as hardcore as ever.
The problem with them is that contrary to popular belief, those cars do not sell.
So Cadillac is making the V brand accessible to more buyers.
Available AWD will make a big difference.
 

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The Blackwing isn't being installed in all future V models; those without it have less HP than current vehicles. The entire V lineup is a prestige (niche) model, it hasn't translated to higher sedan sales. In fact, the opposite is true, hence the switch to SUV/CUVs.
A CT6 V (while nice) isn't likely to set any Ring records. For performance-oriented drivers, GM will be able to build very fast electric models if they choose to do so, and at a cheaper price point, allowing more access to consumers.

The ICE is on the way out, preceded by sedans.

As stated above, buy 'em while you can.
 

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They'll call them Blackwing even if they have a different engine.
Would not surprise me if the Blackwing CT5-V & CT4-V carry over engines from the CTS-V & ATS-V.
Don't count on AWD. It will be available on the regular V's.

Will a V-8 CT5 offer AWD?
The Blackwing isn't being installed in all future V models; those without it have less HP than current vehicles. The entire V lineup is a prestige (niche) model, it hasn't translated to higher sedan sales. In fact, the opposite is true, hence the switch to SUV/CUVs.
A CT6 V (while nice) isn't likely to set any Ring records. For performance-oriented drivers, GM will be able to build very fast electric models if they choose to do so, and at a cheaper price point, allowing more access to consumers.

The ICE is on the way out, preceded by sedans.

As stated above, buy 'em while you can.
 

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GM, You can't have 33% of the industry anymore. You are to slow, and there are a lot more players.
Cadillac, You completely and always miss the mark. The word CADILLAC is synonymous with the thought of PURE LUXURY. Not Trucks, SUV's, CUV's. LUXURY. You are way off base.
OK, you have a big seller with Escalade: luxurious, XT5 Major CUV seller, and new top seller for a cheaper affordable Mini CUV the XT4. Ok, leave the trucks there.
You rightly so killed the ATS, CTS. You also killed 2018's biggest selling sedan you have. And now have CT6 dangling on a thread. So what sedans do you want us to buy? A CT4 & a CT5. Both laughable jokes. They look like Chevy Clones. So to entice us, you want to turn them into CT4 V CT5 V and a transgender CT6 V: is it luxury or muscle car.
What's wrong with distinction? Keep your Escalade, XT4 & XT5. Dump the rest. Dump those Mini Chevy's and Muscle Cars, Give us LUXURY. Long, Heavy, Smooth Riding, V-8 472, No paddle Shifters, Bench Front Seat, Loose Steering Wheel, Brake Pedals that Screech when you tap them. Got a good idea, Give us another Fleetwood Brougham. Hey, you want a real luxury car with some balls, ELDORADO.
And why not? Ford brought back a Mustang, Thunderbird.
Learn to listen to the buyers, ask questions. Think distinction, luxury!
 

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GM, You can't have 33% of the industry anymore. You are to slow, and there are a lot more players.
Cadillac, You completely and always miss the mark. The word CADILLAC is synonymous with the thought of PURE LUXURY. Not Trucks, SUV's, CUV's. LUXURY. You are way off base.
OK, you have a big seller with Escalade: luxurious, XT5 Major CUV seller, and new top seller for a cheaper affordable Mini CUV the XT4. Ok, leave the trucks there.
You rightly so killed the ATS, CTS. You also killed 2018's biggest selling sedan you have. And now have CT6 dangling on a thread. So what sedans do you want us to buy? A CT4 & a CT5. Both laughable jokes. They look like Chevy Clones. So to entice us, you want to turn them into CT4 V CT5 V and a transgender CT6 V: is it luxury or muscle car.
What's wrong with distinction? Keep your Escalade, XT4 & XT5. Dump the rest. Dump those Mini Chevy's and Muscle Cars, Give us LUXURY. Long, Heavy, Smooth Riding, V-8 472, No paddle Shifters, Bench Front Seat, Loose Steering Wheel, Brake Pedals that Screech when you tap them. Got a good idea, Give us another Fleetwood Brougham. Hey, you want a real luxury car with some balls, ELDORADO.
And why not? Ford brought back a Mustang, Thunderbird.
Learn to listen to the buyers, ask questions. Think distinction, luxury!
In many ways I agree. If I want a performance car, I would look to a Corvette or Camaro, not a Cadillac. That performance thing Cadillac is pursuing never made sense to me. I would like to see Cadillac represent the traditional luxury car. That is why I recently bought a used 2018 XTS, but it only cost me $23,000. A big, new full traditional luxury car like you described would probably cost around $100,000. I am not about to pay that, and I bet I am not alone. That is the problem Cadillac is having. And beyond price, the switch over to electric cars is coming sooner than you think. Serious efforts to combat climate change could have a huge impact on the luxury car market. Personal ownership of autos is shrinking too with the use of Uber, so that tends to diminish pride in your own personal vehicle.
 

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With the way the our Young/Elite are embracing Socialism and us Boomers dying off rapidly, the only car in your future may be the government approved model based on your social score!

Introducing the New Cadillac AOC...work hard for the greater good and you may one day attain the privilege of purchase.
 

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What's wrong with distinction? Keep your Escalade, XT4 & XT5. Dump the rest. Dump those Mini Chevy's and Muscle Cars, Give us LUXURY. Long, Heavy, Smooth Riding, V-8 472, No paddle Shifters, Bench Front Seat, Loose Steering Wheel, Brake Pedals that Screech when you tap them.
basscatt, is that you? With all due respect, 1fmgsr, this plan is ridiculous. You're about 50 years too late, this kind of business model would be laughed out of the marketplace by consumers. V8 472? Bench front seat? Brake pedals that screech when you tap them?? It's pure fantasy. You want a car like that, go get a 70's Eldo. Though I'd love to have one of those down the road, so believe me, I get where you're coming from.

Where I do agree with you is that Cadillac could definitely use a more luxury-oriented approach, and a less sporty one. Honestly, they could easily use their Y-trim strategy for this with their existing models. The new 2019/2020 CT6 is an excellent car - you could always have sporty models with MagneRide, but you could have a designated "CT6 Fleetwood" with air ride, softer steering, more upscale interior, etc. Same for the Escalade and XT6. Smaller cars need to be sporty to sell, and yes, you do need smaller cars. Put the XT5 on the Alpha platform while you're at it.

With the way the our Young/Elite are embracing Socialism and us Boomers dying off rapidly, the only car in your future may be the government approved model based on your social score!

Introducing the New Cadillac AOC...work hard for the greater good and you may one day attain the privilege of purchase.
Yup, dead on. My generation is a damn joke. All want everything, yet work for nothing. A bunch of fools. To be honest, we're sheep - whatever everyone else does, we do. It's all about acceptance. And if all the hip Hollywood and Academic elites want socialism, evidence and history be damned, so do we! I watched a video this past week of a planned assault at my old high school...girl came right up behind another girl, grabbed her by the hair, slammed her head into the ground (knocked her out cold), and proceeded to punch the hell out of her face. It was between classes, and you could see about 100 kids just walk right by, not a damn one stopped to do anything...because no one had the stones to break ranks. If I had been there...I'd be behind bars right now.

It's always popularity before doing what's right, feelings before facts...very disturbing.
 

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With the way the our Young/Elite are embracing Socialism and us Boomers dying off rapidly, the only car in your future may be the government approved model based on your social score!

Introducing the New Cadillac AOC...work hard for the greater good and you may one day attain the privilege of purchase.
We all realize that we raised our younger people and at whose dinner table they sat at and looked at for leadership
 

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You know, they missed the boat on the CUV & SUV market. Seems as we went thru all this before. We all loved our gas guzzlers back in the 60's & early 70's, GM gave us them. Toyota, Datsun, were cheap disposable cars that only people that couldn't afford the guzzlers bought, Until the price of gas went thru the roof, and the lines at the pumps. Everyone wanted a compact gas saver. GM missed that boat. They tried and made cars that no one wants to remember. Way too LATE.
Gas prices fell, there is GM Ford Chysler with those Pintos, K Cars, Barretta. Everyone was looking for Larger Reliable Sedans, Pickup's. GM missed that boat too. Datsun became Nissan, Infinitti, Toyota took on Lexus, Honda had some nice trucks, Lexus Toyota Datsun Infinitti started making Luxury cars and trucks,
And the BIG 3 went bust.
WE, THE PEOPLE, bailed them out. All three were dead. Took them many years stand back up. Gas prices still low, Everyone wants the SUV's CUV's Large Sedans. That is all that sells. I understand 2018 sales went this way. #1 XT5 #2 Escalade #3 XTS. Their best selling sedan of late, is banging on heavens door.
Cadillac is hanging onto their mini sedans??
GM, You can't have 33% of the industry anymore. You are to slow, and there are a lot more players.
Cadillac, You completely and always miss the mark. The word CADILLAC is synonymous with the thought of PURE LUXURY. Not Trucks, SUV's, CUV's. LUXURY. You are way off base.
OK, you have a big seller with Escalade: luxurious, XT5 Major CUV seller, and new top seller for a cheaper affordable Mini CUV the XT4. Ok, leave the trucks there.
You rightly so killed the ATS, CTS. You also killed 2018's biggest selling sedan you have. And now have CT6 dangling on a thread. So what sedans do you want us to buy? A CT4 & a CT5. Both laughable jokes. They look like Chevy Clones. So to entice us, you want to turn them into CT4 V CT5 V and a transgender CT6 V: is it luxury or muscle car.
What's wrong with distinction? Keep your Escalade, XT4 & XT5. Dump the rest. Dump those Mini Chevy's and Muscle Cars, Give us LUXURY. Long, Heavy, Smooth Riding, V-8 472, No paddle Shifters, Bench Front Seat, Loose Steering Wheel, Brake Pedals that Screech when you tap them. Got a good idea, Give us another Fleetwood Brougham. Hey, you want a real luxury car with some balls, ELDORADO.
And why not? Ford brought back a Mustang, Thunderbird.
Learn to listen to the buyers, ask questions. Think distinction, luxury!
I agree, Cadillac NEEDS a full-sized luxury sedan, enough with the SUV's already. I was at a presentation by one of Cadillac's marketing guys and I asked if they were committed to the sedan and he said he couldn't answer due to the strike! We cannot go back to a large car with a 472, but we want a car that can sit 5 comfortably, hold enough luggage, and still climb a hill. I don't want an SUV, and I will not buy a CT6 that is made in China. If the Japanese and the Germans can sell sedans why can't Cadillac?
 

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basscatt, is that you? With all due respect, 1fmgsr, this plan is ridiculous. You're about 50 years too late, this kind of business model would be laughed out of the marketplace by consumers. V8 472? Bench front seat? Brake pedals that screech when you tap them?? It's pure fantasy.
Sounds like he really wants a Homer.

 

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GM, You can't have 33% of the industry anymore. You are to slow, and there are a lot more players.
Cadillac, You completely and always miss the mark. The word CADILLAC is synonymous with the thought of PURE LUXURY. Not Trucks, SUV's, CUV's. LUXURY. You are way off base.
OK, you have a big seller with Escalade: luxurious, XT5 Major CUV seller, and new top seller for a cheaper affordable Mini CUV the XT4. Ok, leave the trucks there.
You rightly so killed the ATS, CTS. You also killed 2018's biggest selling sedan you have. And now have CT6 dangling on a thread. So what sedans do you want us to buy? A CT4 & a CT5. Both laughable jokes. They look like Chevy Clones. So to entice us, you want to turn them into CT4 V CT5 V and a transgender CT6 V: is it luxury or muscle car.
What's wrong with distinction? Keep your Escalade, XT4 & XT5. Dump the rest. Dump those Mini Chevy's and Muscle Cars, Give us LUXURY. Long, Heavy, Smooth Riding, V-8 472, No paddle Shifters, Bench Front Seat, Loose Steering Wheel, Brake Pedals that Screech when you tap them. Got a good idea, Give us another Fleetwood Brougham. Hey, you want a real luxury car with some balls, ELDORADO.
And why not? Ford brought back a Mustang, Thunderbird.
Learn to listen to the buyers, ask questions. Think distinction, luxury!

"No paddle Shifters"

Yeah, and no dial-a-gear while we're at it.
 
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