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Katshot said:
And it was just a slightly stretched FWD Fleetwood.
That was true for '87 and '88. From '89-'92 it had the same dimensions as the Deville/ FWD Fleetwood. These years also added the 22 way power seats. In '93, the 60 Special was last year's Fleetwood, with the seats as an option.


From '94-'95, the Deville had the 4.9L, while the Concours had a 270HP Northstar (275 in '95). From '96 until '99, the Base had the 275HP Northstar, and the Concours had the 300HP version.

Some of the major differences b/w Deville and Concours:
In '94, the Concours had road sensing suspension, a 11 speaker system, 16" (vs. 15") rims, and monochrome side moldings and bumpers.

In '95, there were a few minor improvements, such as formerly optional tration control was now standard. Concours now had a Integrated Chassis Control System for brake performance and stability.

A bit of changes in '96. More powerful PCM, mass airflow sensors added, better fuel injectors, and ICCS now standard on the Base model.
Concours also had Magnasteer, rainsense wipers, and Continuously Variable Road sensing suspension.

There was a restyling in '97, with a d'Elegance model now between the base and the Concours. Concours is now 5 passengers. New features was side air bags, and standard Magnasteer on the base. d'Elegance and Concours had a personal memory package, and Concours had Stabillitrak.

In '98, Stabillitrack was optional on the lower 2 models, and RDS radios were standard. Concours had an improved Magnasteer system that also reacted to lateral acceleraton (Yaw control I think). Heated seats were standard on the top 2 models.

Not many changes in '99. The top 2 models had optional massaging seats.

Probably missing a few important points, but after typing all that, I don't want to be here for a while. :wave:
 

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Andrew60SP said:
They were an option since '94.
Would it be death itself to install this option? I mean.. Could I buy the heated seats and install them in the car without spending $450,000.00?
 

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As an owner of a 96 SLS, and a 93 Sedan DeVille...after reading this and other posts on similar subject, I have been keeping my eyes open for a 95 or 96 Fleetwood Brougham.

I like the idea of a regular RWD car with the LT1 engine, but I have to admit that, compared to my other 2 Cads and most all others, the Fleetwood is a bit ugly. Remember, I mean just compared to other Cadillacs.

I figure the looks actually helps people like me, due to depreciationisms.

Every time I see one I kind of think of the Penguin in Batman.

Does anyone know when the Fleetwoods switched to DexCool?


Paul G.

PS: I was at Pigeon Forge for the F100 Supernationals in May. One morning, in my motel parking lot there sat, side by side, one 94/96? Fleetwood and an equal DeVille. Both the same color, nearly, and both with the same color vinyl tops. Even with these 2 cars nearly touching, it was extremely hard, except for the rear wheel area, to tell them apart.
I spent 10 minutes walking back and forth around them...I imagine I looked suspicious, but it sure was worth it!
 

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He's not a fleetwood owner, so he cant be a FOSSer!
 

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Something odd about the administrator of the Cadillac Forums NOT having a Cadillac ;)

The Fleetwood has ALWAYS been the top of the line Cadillac. Their ultimate luxury sedan. Through the years, the Fleetwood ended up as just an upgraded Deville but always maintained it's place as the ultimate Cadillac. In the mid 80's, the FWD product line was in full swing and Cadillac started thowing names around their lineup, most notably the Fleetwood name. For a short while there were TWO Fleetwoods, one FWD, and one RWD. Cadillac finally dropped the "Fleetwood" name from the RWD car leaving it to be simply called the "Brougham".
The RWD car was pretty much abandoned by Cadillac throughout the rest of the 80's and into the 90's, left to survive on only minor "token" upgrades, while they concentrated on their FWD cars. Finally, in '93 a new RWD car was introduced. The RWD Fleetwood was "reborn" with an entirely new body and interior, but a pretty much "carry-over" drivetrain. Unfortunately, plans for a new engine were put on hold for one year. The LO5 Chevrolet 5.7 V8 was the engine for '93 and '93 ONLY. In '94, the Fleetwood was "BLESSED" with the addition of the LT1 V8. It was already used in many other full-size RWD cars in various GM lines, and had accumulated quite a following.
The RWD Fleetwood was back and it was the largest production vehicle on the market (even several inches longer than the Suburban). Unfortunately, it was to be the vehicle's swan-song since even as Cadillac was building their "D" body RWD Fleetwood, along side it's Buick and Chevy "B" body sister cars in Arlington, TX, GM had already decided to kick truck (SUV)production into high-gear and they realized that they needed more production room to do it. So it was decided that the Arlington plant would be "truck-central" and that meant the slow-selling B & D cars would be sacrificed. Since it was already decided that '96 would be the last year for the big RWD brutes, GM again pretty much let the cars sail into oblivion with little or no upgrades for the remaining couple years of production.
I hope this gives you a feel for what the differences were between the cars.
I had always thought the Eldorado was the top of the line Cadillac. Well, that was back then. Now, theres no doubt, the Fleetwood is the top of line Cadillac. A 1996 Cadillac Fleetwood is one of my dream cars. I LOVE them in white. We were once at his garden store and a BEAUTIFUL white 94+ Fleetwood pulls up and parks close to the Escalade. (I wish they woulda parked next to it so I could compare size) Of course, an old lady was the owner. I kept my distance cause they were standing a short distance away. WOW! That has to be the biggest car I have ever seen made after 1980. I saw that and said, "On to autotrader" and looked if any of them were for sale around here, but theres nothing within 300 miles. :crying: I think I'm going to go check again.

HERES MY DREAM CAR http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/...vanced=n&start_year=1996&=&color=&cardist=487
 

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HotRodSaint said:
Don't forget the Fleetwoods towing capacity. That, and the aftermarket parts availability, are the two main reasons to buy a Fleetwood over a Deville.
DONT FORGET SIZE
 

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Hey, I'm fairly sorry! I didn't mean,,,,uglyyyyyyyyy.....just, ahem, not as quite good looking as the eldo and seville. After all, I WANT to buy one, to go with the other 2 Cadmobiles in the family driveway!

I really did make one big mistake; I think the Wood is better looking than the DeVille, so I even screwed that up; it should have been the DeVille was the worst looking!

Remember, I mean in comparison to the other Cads, not the common modes of transport.

Trying to dig out of a hole,

Paul
 

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FYI:
The Fleetwood has been with Cadillac since 1946, years before the Eldorado. It was always associated with the biggest, grandest, most luxurious of the Cadillacs. The "Brougham" name got added to it to further state the ultimate luxury intent of the car.
Oh, and just another FYI tidbit, the '93-'96 Fleetwood Brougham is over 2 FEET longer than an Escalade and is STILL longer than even the ESV. Only about 4 in. but it's still longer!!
 

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There will NEVER, EVER, EVER be another cadillac like the 93-96 fleetwood broughams......... I dont care about the 16, or any other one, just like there will never be another '58 eldo biarritz.... It just wont happen.....
 

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That's a nice Fleetwood, even with the snowflakes!

I probably can't get one as low mileage as yours is, but I'll find one eventually. I noticed that there seems to be 2 distinct selling patterns for the Fleetwood...seller A wants the premium price, and seller/dealer B can't seem to move these things off their lot.

I'm waiting for seller B. I have time, and, by driving my 96 SLS, I don't have Cadillac fever bad enough to pay a premium for another one.

Looking around,

Paul G.
 

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low mileage fleetwoods are hard to come by, since they are used by fleets, and they run forever....

Man, it was really snowing when I took the pictures..... I had to really hurry to get her back in the garage, she was getting all cold, and aggrevated, had to get her back in the HEATED garage!!!

See if you can find one owned by old people that took it to the cadillac dealer for all the oil changes, and to get something fixed before it actually happened....
 

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elwesso said:
There will NEVER, EVER, EVER be another cadillac like the 93-96 fleetwood broughams......... I dont care about the 16, or any other one, just like there will never be another '58 eldo biarritz.... It just wont happen.....
You never know! Who would have thought there would be a retro designed TBird, or Beetle, or even the next Mustang based on the Shelby Cobra. Or '40's style PT Cruiser Woody. Give it twenty years Wes, only problem is they will be electric. :vomit: :crying:
 
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