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Hi everybody. In 2022 in autumn I became an owner of a Cadillac elr 2014 with 17k miles on it, it's a great car, but The manual says the combined mpg is 32-33mpg. In my case the fuel tank is enough for a just 200 miles and it looks like my mpg is about 25, or even less. So is there something wrong with my elr or everybody drive just 200 miles on full fuel tank on gas ? I don't charge the car, I'm only driving on gas. So what's your MPG and maybe you have any thoughts why my mpg is 25 ? Thank you everybody in advance
 

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I use to get 312-320 miles but since the ethanol content has been increased,I'm down to 280-290 miles.or about 37mpg if I take my time,,less if I drive like a maniac.lol.
 

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Question 1.
Why do you not charge your ELR...

Question 2.
Do you use mountain mode when you drive? If you don't charge the battery at all the power train can be under powered in certain driving conditions and go into reduced power mode.
If you are using mountain mode your fuel economy will be reduced.
When we take out ELR on road trips I get around 28-30 mph on the highway with a normal cruise speed of 79 mph.
 

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Question 1.
Why do you not charge your ELR...

Question 2.
Do you use mountain mode when you drive? If you don't charge the battery at all the power train can be under powered in certain driving conditions and go into reduced power mode.
If you are using mountain mode your fuel economy will be reduced.
When we take out ELR on road trips I get around 28-30 mph on the highway with a normal cruise speed of 79 mph.
I charge the car sometimes at the station, sometimes I'm using the mountain mode, i know if you've using the mountain mode, your fuel economy will be reduced, but besides all that the fuel range is always about 200 miles on tour mode. With the full tank, the fuel range shows me no more than 200 miles , sometimes it shows 175 miles, one time it was shown 150 miles at dashboard with full tank, but anyway the car can drive 200 miles. But as i read , the fuel range is supposed to be 300 miles,i don't even have 250 miles on gas
 

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I'd drive the car and pull over and shoot the rear brakes with an ir temp gun and see if your dragging a rear brake


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Took a pic of my dash as I drove to Cadi today.gonna put in a new drivers door glass.that's another story all on its own.

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Why do you not charge your ELR...
Believe it or not, quite a few people don't plug in their PHEVs.

The problem with doing this with an ELR is that it's not a parallel hybrid.
They do not get great mileage on the extender. It's designed to be backup propulsion, not primary.

OTOH, it's much more of an EV than parallel hybrid PHEVs when you do plug it in.
Voltecs get WAY better mileage than other PHEVs when used in the intended manner.

IMO, there's nothing wrong with this car.
 

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Believe it or not, quite a few people don't plug in their PHEVs.

The problem with doing this with an ELR is that it's not a parallel hybrid.
They do not get great mileage on the extender. It's designed to be backup propulsion, not primary.

OTOH, it's much more of an EV than parallel hybrid PHEVs when you do plug it in.
Voltecs get WAY better mileage than other PHEVs when used in the intended manner.

IMO, there's nothing wrong with this car.
I know some people don't charge. My question was why. If you don't charge the ELR you are just driving a vehicle that is carrying around 1500 pounds of extra weight that serves no purpose.
I do agree that the OP is getting what I would call normal MPG numbers for an ELR driving a combined city/highway schedule.
 

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I know some people don't charge. My question was why. If you don't charge the ELR you are just driving a vehicle that is carrying around 1500 pounds of extra weight that serves no purpose.
Not only that, but the ELR is not a fun car with zero state of charge. It needs some charge there for performance (pulled from the battery), as the tiny engine along doesn't cut it. Not to mention the engine also generating power to keep the battery at a state slightly above deep discharge. Can't imagine anyone not plugging in an ELR or Volt.
 

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Is the GM specs as to fuel mileage including if the electric was also used and do they spec if not used ?

As one mentioned, mileage depends on how much of that crap Ethanol percentage is
To this day, most people have no clue that the feds increased max Ethanol from 10 to 15%
Higher it is the less fuel mileage is, and less performance engine output is, so it is under more load and use
more fuel.

When the feds first mandated this 2 years ago, the station pumps had to label if 10 or 15%
People seeing E15 than instead moved to pumps saying E10
This pissed off the Ethanol business and lobbied feds to remove a rule so that no Ethanol stickers
were required on station pumps at all

IF in doubt, always ask a station what the percentage is before pumping into your gas tanks.

Fill up with E10 and see what the mileage if like for a couple of tanks
Then switch to E15 and test that for MPG

Ethanol eats tank, fuel system internals,
it has screwed with the fuel float sensors causing incorrect reading of how much fuel is really in the tanks
since the early 2000s

Test with a known full tank.
When gas gauge says half tank,
Then fill tank and see how many gallons it took and does that match the GM spec as to tank side.

The more Ethanol percentage is, the leaner the AFR is, the more engine knock, less timing and all
that costs fuel mileage
Check with a OBD-II scanner and see what the fuel trims and O2 sensors report
Maybe need to do an engine decarb, clean injectors, MAF, throttle body and assure clean
air filter.
And that there is no airleaks causing leaner AFR which would use more gas.
 

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I go to a gas station that has 4 options...
E10, E15, Regular no E, Premium no E

In the ELR and the XR4ti, Premium no E
In the XTS and Scorpio, Regular no E
Never E10 or E15
 

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Believe it or not, quite a few people don't plug in their PHEVs.

The problem with doing this with an ELR is that it's not a parallel hybrid.
They do not get great mileage on the extender. It's designed to be backup propulsion, not primary.

OTOH, it's much more of an EV than parallel hybrid PHEVs when you do plug it in.
Voltecs get WAY better mileage than other PHEVs when used in the intended manner.

IMO, there's nothing wrong with this car.
I wouldn't complain if the car would be able to drive 300 miles on gas like it says in manual, even 250 miles is good for me, but just 200 miles - it's too little,. it's 30% less than manual says. So i will be looking for the problem, because if 200 miles are enough for full gas tank ( 9.3 gallons )- that means the MPG is about 200÷9.3 = 21.5 MPG - that's something very weird
 

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Is the GM specs as to fuel mileage including if the electric was also used and do they spec if not used ?

As one mentioned, mileage depends on how much of that crap Ethanol percentage is
To this day, most people have no clue that the feds increased max Ethanol from 10 to 15%
Higher it is the less fuel mileage is, and less performance engine output is, so it is under more load and use
more fuel.

When the feds first mandated this 2 years ago, the station pumps had to label if 10 or 15%
People seeing E15 than instead moved to pumps saying E10
This pissed off the Ethanol business and lobbied feds to remove a rule so that no Ethanol stickers
were required on station pumps at all

IF in doubt, always ask a station what the percentage is before pumping into your gas tanks.

Fill up with E10 and see what the mileage if like for a couple of tanks
Then switch to E15 and test that for MPG

Ethanol eats tank, fuel system internals,
it has screwed with the fuel float sensors causing incorrect reading of how much fuel is really in the tanks
since the early 2000s

Test with a known full tank.
When gas gauge says half tank,
Then fill tank and see how many gallons it took and does that match the GM spec as to tank side.

The more Ethanol percentage is, the leaner the AFR is, the more engine knock, less timing and all
that costs fuel mileage
Check with a OBD-II scanner and see what the fuel trims and O2 sensors report
Maybe need to do an engine decarb, clean injectors, MAF, throttle body and assure clean
air filter.
And that there is no airleaks causing leaner AFR which would use more gas.
1 month ago I've checked an engine mistakes and code P013E showed up - this code means the 02 sensor 2 in bank 1 has to be replaced, I've bought a new sensor, checked mistakes again in 1 week and there's no more any codes shows up and so far no codes at all, probably i need to replace 02 sensor
 
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