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Hybrids will make you a dealer service captive.
Try it out - go to a dealership and ask the salesperson if you can get your hybrid repaired at any reputable garage. Then watch as they stammer, stutter and do a little dance. It's fun to see, but the experience of finding an independent shop that will do work on a hybrid isn't fun at all.
That's my favorite part.
 

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davesdeville said:
That's my favorite part.
LOL, ya, certainly not practical at this time it seems. I do like how the Escape Hybrid is only around $1,000 more than the gas version. However there was an article in the newspaper I briefly read about something to do with hybrids losing power over time?? I wish I paid more attention to the article, or cut it out to scan it here......

also popped into the Toyota dealership today to see if I could get a Prius brochure, but they won't have them for a while because they are in such demand right now, plus, the salesman told me that if I wanted to order a Prius, I couldn't even get one until mid-November. (don't worry, I'm not buying one)
 

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Yes, they save gas in city driving. But on the highway, you're better off with a turbodiesel. Also, I wonder what the total energy consumption of a hybrid vehicle is, including:

- Building the battery and electic motor system
- Maintaining that system
- Recycling / remediating that system so it doesn't pollute the groundwater after removal from the vehicle.
 

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i'd much rather go with the diesel....tried and true
 

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I've also read article in Automobile that say the Prius hybirds that they tested only managed to get 37 mpg. Big difference between 50 mpg and 37, maybe the government should look into this and see if the automakers are fabricating thw whole 50 mpg story.

I bet they couldn't even manage to get up to highway speeds in faster than an 18 wheeler could. I'll stick to my gasoline thank you very much.
 

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I always wondered what the cost of replacing all the batteries would be in the long run. Like any battery, they can't last forever. That would probably be a pretty significant cost. Then, there's the environmental fees associated with battery dispopsal, like there are with tires, etc.
 

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mccombie_5 said:
I know :D

The Phaeton is smooth like cream great MPG too
I geuss they had a Phaeton that was a couple years old at our VW dealership last week, and my friend and I went to see it again on Saturday but apparently someone in Montreal wanted it so they were prepping to ship it.

I wonder what the advantages are with a Golf or Jetta TDI over a Prius / Civic Hybrid? Disadvantages....
 

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Ralph said:
I geuss they had a Phaeton that was a couple years old at our VW dealership last week, and my friend and I went to see it again on Saturday but apparently someone in Montreal wanted it so they were prepping to ship it.

I wonder what the advantages are with a Golf or Jetta TDI over a Prius / Civic Hybrid? Disadvantages....
You get the new Jetta yet?
http://www.stealthtdi.com/NewJettaCropped.jpg

Advantages here are:

VW TDI engines are indistrucatable
GREAT MPG
Smooth
Fast

Disadvantages:

Diesel costs more than regular
Still SOME diesel noise (nothing liek 5 eyars ago though)
Stigma attatched to buying a Diesel

I would take a Golf or Jetta over a Toyota or Civic any day, the TDis are great engines, and the MPG is great!

The Phaeton is much better than i expected, its wearing in nicely. IMo it is the best looking VW for a long time. Well the new Passat and JEtta come close, but have taken their cues from the 'ton
 

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mccombie_5 said:
You get the new Jetta yet?
http://www.stealthtdi.com/NewJettaCropped.jpg

Advantages here are:

VW TDI engines are indistrucatable
GREAT MPG
Smooth
Fast

Disadvantages:

Diesel costs more than regular
Still SOME diesel noise (nothing liek 5 eyars ago though)
Stigma attatched to buying a Diesel

I would take a Golf or Jetta over a Toyota or Civic any day, the TDis are great engines, and the MPG is great!

The Phaeton is much better than i expected, its wearing in nicely. IMo it is the best looking VW for a long time. Well the new Passat and JEtta come close, but have taken their cues from the 'ton
Yup, we got them. There was the last '05 Jetta in the showroom, it was a nice burgandy red with beige leather seats and it had the 2.0 gas engine. Nice little car!! I don't know that I fully appreciate the styling of the '06 Jetta yet. something about that front end.....
 

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mccombie_5 said:
You get the new Jetta yet?
http://www.stealthtdi.com/NewJettaCropped.jpg

Advantages here are:

VW TDI engines are indistrucatable
GREAT MPG
Smooth
Fast

Disadvantages:

Diesel costs more than regular
Still SOME diesel noise (nothing liek 5 eyars ago though)
Stigma attatched to buying a Diesel

I would take a Golf or Jetta over a Toyota or Civic any day, the TDis are great engines, and the MPG is great!

The Phaeton is much better than i expected, its wearing in nicely. IMo it is the best looking VW for a long time. Well the new Passat and JEtta come close, but have taken their cues from the 'ton
The diesels probably also have a lot more torque.
 

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They do save gas, but not nearly enough to justify buying one.

Albert Einstein always said "everything should be kept as simple as possible".

Why am I quoting Albert Einstein?

Because hybrids add a whole new level of complexity to your automobile, and although you do save some gas, you really don't get that big of a bang for your buck (at least not yet).

A Honda Accord Hybrid starts at 30k. That is 3k more than the next expensive Accord. Assuming you save $15 a week on gas, it will take 200 weeks or slightly less than 4 years to get your money (3k) back. Whoopty doo!
 

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The diesels probably also have a lot more torque.
not exactly ...100% of peak torque in a electric motor occurs anywhere on its revband , a street diesel typicaly has to be run a few hundred off curb idle to achive peak torque...

the other issue i have with hybrids are there still running gas engines , which are terribly ineffectent compared to diesels , like i say , if someone wants to do it right , you do diesel hybrid ....it works ....look at the locomotive indsutry , basiclly a series hybrid (deisel eletric , and in a few turbine eletric)...

itll probably never happen , the automakers know "suzie q hybrid buyer" doesnt realize you dont have to go to truckstops to get fuel ....

hybrids are the brittney spears of the automotive world , tarted up synthized wastes of space built to appeal to uneducated weenies that THINK they know a thing or two ...
 

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not exactly ...100% of peak torque in a electric motor occurs anywhere on its revband , a street diesel typicaly has to be run a few hundred off curb idle to achive peak torque...

the other issue i have with hybrids are there still running gas engines , which are terribly ineffectent compared to diesels , like i say , if someone wants to do it right , you do diesel hybrid ....it works ....look at the locomotive indsutry , basiclly a series hybrid (deisel eletric , and in a few turbine eletric)...

itll probably never happen , the automakers know "suzie q hybrid buyer" doesnt realize you dont have to go to truckstops to get fuel ....

hybrids are the brittney spears of the automotive world , tarted up synthized wastes of space built to appeal to uneducated weenies that THINK they know a thing or two ...

Poor Britney.... :crying:

that's one thing, they have diesel at most stations here, and lots of TDI Golfs and Jettas!
 

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I say to hell with this hybrid stuff. Just use a diesel generator and use an electric motor for the power to the wheels. That shit would be easy to fix anyways, Hell, I could do it? How do I know? Because my damn training ship is a diesel-electric!
 
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