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Toyota Motor Corp will raise vehicle output by 11 per cent next year, unseating General Motors Corp as the world's biggest manufacturer of automobiles, a Japanese newspaper reported on Wednesday.

Toyota, whose profits and market value already dwarf those of its rivals, plans to raise group output to more than 9.2 million vehicles worldwide in 2006, or nearly 1 million more than its projection for 2005, business daily Nihon Keizai said.

Excluding minivehicle and truck units Daihatsu Motor Co and Hino Motors Ltd, Toyota's own-brand production will rise 12 per cent to 8.3 million units next year, the newspaper said without citing sources.
 

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Maybe this will encourage GM to build cars as good as Toyotas. Although they are getting better, they need to stop relying on trucks, truck sales are falling, and will continue to.

Sedans and Coupes are back

Now all GM needs to do is make some.

They have made a good start with the Cadillac range, we all know how well the CTS is getting on, now they need to concentrate on Buick and get some good RWD 3.6s and V8s. I think Buick could benefit from the Northstar, and I am aware the Lucerne is already using it.

If they would just stop making so many of those trucks!
 

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If this is true, it's gonna be a big hit to American automobile pride. Well, GM needs a continuing ass-kicking if you ask me, after all, actions speak louder than words.
 

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Maybe they will actually build decent cars now (yeah right, who am I kidding:lildevil: ). Imagine if every single GM car was as good as the Solstice, hell, they'd have Toyota beat at everything...

But, as long as they still stick OHVs in Pontiacs, force Onstar on everyone, and don't have any decent coupes, well, GM won't do too well...
 

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Jesda said:
Maybe this will force GM to swallow its pride and close some factories.
I hope it forces GM to do something.

I'd like to see a 2-dr Chevy coupe on the Solstice chassis called a Monza!
 

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GM really needs to spend a few extra bucks to have cars that will compete with these Japanese brands in terms of quality. A few cars will never be beaten by Japanese brands, such as the Corvette, Escalade, and Hummer, but the mainsteam auto's will.

Buick- Needs to revamp that "old woman" look and put some power in their cars.

Cadillac- Also IS revamping their "not just for seniors" look with the XLR, CTS, and V-Series.

Chevrolet- Lacks quality and interior comfort from most of their line, the ONLY good Chevrolet is the Corvette.

Hummer- Great brand that appeals to soccer moms and governors alike, they aren't a hugely wide-selling group because of their high cost and the cost of gasoline, but the H3 will help a bit.

GMC- Horrible brand that is NOT professional grade, they need to have some models that appeal to the normal car buyers.

Oldsmobile- Japanese already have beaten this brand by leaps and bounds. Nothing much left in terms of variety or styling in these pieces.

Pontiac- A popular lineup of cars that will continue strong, but can easily be beaten by cheaper, japanese counterparts.

Saab- What can I say, not much of a choice, and lower quality, more costly than similar japanese imitations.

Saturn- Not much to brag about, very bland styling and low quality.
 

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Speedy Arizona, you need to keep up with the times!

Buick- Needs to revamp that "old woman" look and put some power in their cars.
The Buick Velite: with a 400HP twin-turbo V6:


Chevrolet- Lacks quality and interior comfort from most of their line, the ONLY good Chevrolet is the Corvette.
Have you seen the new Impala? The one with the Deville interior??? (notice the iPod hookup:sneaky: ):


Oldsmobile- Japanese already have beaten this brand by leaps and bounds. Nothing much left in terms of variety or styling in these pieces.
Oldsmobile doesn't even exist anymore:confused:

Pontiac- A popular lineup of cars that will continue strong, but can easily be beaten by cheaper, japanese counterparts.
Let's see Japan beat this Pontiac:


Saturn- Not much to brag about, very bland styling and low quality.
Is this bland looking to you???:


That's the problem, people won't even look at GM's new stuff and they keep the notion in their heads that "Oh, those crappy American cars, who wants to buy them. They're so ugly and yucky..."
 

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The Buick Velite: with a 400HP twin-turbo V6:
To my knowledge this isn't on the market yet, I'm referring to what they currently have in their lineup.

Have you seen the new Impala? The one with the Deville interior??? (notice the iPod hookup ):
Accually I haven't, but thanks for informing me! I do agree that they definetly improved it, I don't have an Ipod, so that part doesn't matter to me. Still not up to my high standards, but gorgeous nevertheless.

Oldsmobile doesn't even exist anymore
That was a slip-up, sorry! I remember reading about that, just forgot!

Let's see Japan beat this Pontiac:
I do agree that the price is alluring for many who want an "american exotic" for under $20,000 it's a BARGAIN :D!

Is this bland looking to you???:
I also don't think this is on the market, I'm referring to what is out there now. I don't think it's anything to brag about though, not exactly bland but still not exciting.
 

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The Sky is indeed a production vehicle, it's a little more $$ than the Solstice it's based on.

Anyway, so what, some Japanese newspaper is tooting Toyotas horn without even quoting any sources. I'm not convinced yet, and a 12% production increase for a big company in a single year would be a hell of a sight to see/
 

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I don't think it's anything to brag about though, not exactly bland but still not exciting.
I also wonder if the Sky will take sales away from the Solstice, rather than the Miata and S2000.

This to me shows that GM is still struggling with branding issues. Does the world really need two flavors of the same 2-seat sports car's from GM?
 

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Whatever Jesda, the Miata is played out. Not only is it way too much for a Mazda, but the "MX-5" was nothing special, and Mazda could have made it look a LOT better than just throwing some chrome on it...It needed a complete redesign IMO, because the Miata is basically the same car it was in 1989...

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I read that it was a complete redesign.

They kept it looking the same, because there was nothing wrong, im pretty sure its an all new car.

Like Jaguar did with the XJ

totally redesigned, but they made it look like the old one

or like Cadillac did with the Seville

98 total redesgin, kept styling similar
 

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True, but after 15 years though... I mean, the Mustang is still a pony car, but that doesn't mean it has to look EXACTLY the same after each generation...:rolleyes: and the same goes with the Mazda. I would have liked to see a Miata with some styling cues from the new Mazdas, the 3 and 6...
 

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But some designs are classic ones. I think the MX-5 is a classic design. A Lotus Elan for today, owners agree......

"Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss."

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/hunziker/pictures/rr_grau.jpg

http://images.autobytel.com/cyber/187087/iS14164_1.jpg

If a design is a classic, it needs no change.

http://caddyinfo.onedgesolutions.com/cars/ront2.jpg

http://161.58.88.165/7eoAuaEe93o/M10070.1.jpg

I think the Mazda fits into this category personally. Simple good looking, two seater, small engine, great handling
 

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New Miata (or whatever they're calling it) is a step up from the old one. I'd still take a Solstice over it though.
 

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The design of the NC Miata is completely lacking in emotion.

NA was 'fun.'
NB was 'serious fun.'
NC is a bar of soap. However, its lighter, quicker, has a nicer looking top, and more trunk space than the Solstice. Mazda wins easily on engineering, but doesn't make the same impact in overall execution.

You can bet that I'd still pick the Solstice. If we're talking used, however (2-3 years from now), I'd buy a Miata.
 
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