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Elvis said:
If you're interested, this car can be found at Bud Davis Cadillac in Memphis.

but you better hurry, this one won't last.

Ask for Larry.

http://www.buddaviscadillac.com/index.asp
That's a beauty of a car... You do realize the ride you are looking for is less than 500 dollars away, don't you? I hated the way my car drove stock too. Now I love it and it's a blast to drive. :)

That doesn't solve the garaging problem, but removing the bumperettes will get you another 2" of clearance... ;)
 

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Yeah, Bill, I thought about that last night, but I really didn't want to modify this car at all.

If I got one, I planned to keep it stock for 3-4 years and then play around with it when it became my second vehicle.

Now I'm seriously considering a 2001-2002 DeVille. They cost twice as much, but I'm pretty sure they have the "feel" I'm looking for.
 

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Now I'm seriously considering a 2001-2002 DeVille. They cost twice as much, but I'm pretty sure they have the "feel" I'm looking for.
Yeah, but they're "wrong wheel drive" to start with... ;)

Heh heh.

Good luck with whatever you chose, but I think you'd be really happy with the FW and a little bit of suspension work... Some stock Impala SS springs, a set of shocks... And you're done... :)
 

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Back when Sal was test-driving, he made the comment that he felt unsafe behind the wheel.

My response was unsympathetic. I guess I learned my lesson. Now I know exactly how he felt.
 

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Elvis said:
Yeah, Bill, I thought about that last night, but I really didn't want to modify this car at all.

If I got one, I planned to keep it stock for 3-4 years and then play around with it when it became my second vehicle.

Now I'm seriously considering a 2001-2002 DeVille. They cost twice as much, but I'm pretty sure they have the "feel" I'm looking for.
I'm not following your logic here.

Changing the springs and shocks would give you that 'euro' feel. Using 9c1 springs should keep the stock height. $500.00 and you're set.

Or you could pay twice as much instead. :D

For twice as much you could enlarge your garage too!!
 

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I think there's a little bit more to the "Euro" feel that I'm talking about than just changing springs. Weight distribution has something to do with it, too. Springs won't fix that.

Technologically, this car is back in the late 70's. There's a reason Cadillac discontinued it. There's a reason GM discontinued the B & D bodies.

Don't get me wrong, I still think that the Fleetwood is an outstanding car. It broke my heart to let this one go, but I couldn't see myself getting excited about driving this car EVERY DAY. I just learned an important lesson--FOSS ain't for everyone. I know it isn't for me.

It's kind of like Anna Nicole Smith...

WAIT--I DIDN'T SAY THAT!!!

UH--I DIDN'T MEAN THAT I EVER....

NEVER MIND! :D
 

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Don't worry too much about what anyone else says guys. There are plenty of different types of Cadillacs to go around for all different types of people. The main thing is we are driving prestige cars that most everyone else envies.

Elvis, I KNOW the DTS Deville has the feel that you are looking for. My dad's new DTS is firm, but not harsh by any means. My FWD FLEETWOOD is bouncy by comparison, believe it or not!
 

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Okay guys, that's more than enough. Back to the Fleetwood or Deville, and those cars only--no Anna Nicole Smith or other trash.

I guess I come of a different mentality when it comes to the Fleetwood. Of all the cars I've driven, I first had a stronger appeal to the sportier, faster variety. But then I drove my father's Roadmaster. I was impressed, but in a very different way. And even after that, I drove the Fleetwood, all stock I remind you, and have absolutely fallen in love with the car. It is without a doubt, my favorite vehicle we have ever owned and I would love to buy more for a collection!

Once again, I also remind you that I'm about 17 and a half. Kids my age will usually have nothing else but an awful sounding, raspy Honda Civic that rides so stiffly, it looks like one would be in severe pain after only a mile or two. Or, they're obsessed with Mustangs. Okay, sporty and somewhat cool (but not much), but they're almost as bland and common as a beige Camry, and about as exciting. I stray from the norm, obviously.

Our '93 Brougham has never once scared me, and I drive about 20 miles one way to school everyday, mostly at high speeds on the highway. Typically averaging about 70mph, the ride is like silk, the "old" 350 silent and very powerful, the interior very quiet, and the brakes extremely well-controlled and powerful. I love every last detail about how it drives, and I drive FAST everywhere. On the highway, on back roads, in hilly places, and yes, around tons of sharp curves. Is the Fleetwood an M5? Hell no! Is it frightening? Absolutely not. It's very heavy, and one feels that all the time. I personally love that feeling--it's like rolling down the road in a bomb-proof tank. But to that point, you feel the weight in the handling and it does lean a little, but not excessively. The awesome ride more than makes up for that.

About the only thing I would like to change is the steering feel on the highway. Just cruising straight for miles and miles, it often gets a little hard to keep the car pointed straight, especially if it's at all windy. Not that it's like our Avalance, that has firm steering that floats all over at the same time, just that the Caddy's steering effort feels light enough for parking lot speeds even when going 70+mph. But, yet again, it's not usually a problem.

Would I change anything? Maybe a few details, but not anything major. Maybe some chrome Brougham wheels or a sunroof if it had been there in the first place. But, no suspension tweaks. From the reviews I've read different times on here, some make it sound like the car is extremely floaty, loose, and uncontrollable. Maybe ours is just weird in that it's not like that, or it could just be my perception. I love pretty much everything as is though.

Would I drive a new BMW, Acura, etc.? Of course, but only if the Fleetwood was also there to serve as the occasional ultimate luxury vehicle. It is amazing soothing to drive easily after a long day, and something I always look forward to. I still do wonder what a LT1 Fleetwood is like though :sneaky: .

Either way, I hope you do find the "right" car some day, Elvis--and I hope it's a Caddy! A Deville sounds very much like something you're looking for, particularly a DTS. I wish I could afford to buy another Fleetwood....I think I'd be on a little trip to Memphis this weekend if I could!
 

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Okay guys, that's more than enough. Back to the Fleetwood or Deville, and those cars only--no Anna Nicole Smith or other trash.

I guess I come of a different mentality when it comes to the Fleetwood. Of all the cars I've driven, I first had a stronger appeal to the sportier, faster variety. But then I drove my father's Roadmaster. I was impressed, but in a very different way. And even after that, I drove the Fleetwood, all stock I remind you, and have absolutely fallen in love with the car. It is without a doubt, my favorite vehicle we have ever owned and I would love to buy more for a collection!

Once again, I also remind you that I'm about 17 and a half. Kids my age will usually have nothing else but an awful sounding, raspy Honda Civic that rides so stiffly, it looks like one would be in severe pain after only a mile or two. Or, they're obsessed with Mustangs. Okay, sporty and somewhat cool (but not much), but they're almost as bland and common as a beige Camry, and about as exciting. I stray from the norm, obviously.

Our '93 Brougham has never once scared me, and I drive about 20 miles one way to school everyday, mostly at high speeds on the highway. Typically averaging about 70mph, the ride is like silk, the "old" 350 silent and very powerful, the interior very quiet, and the brakes extremely well-controlled and powerful. I love every last detail about how it drives, and I drive FAST everywhere. On the highway, on back roads, in hilly places, and yes, around tons of sharp curves. Is the Fleetwood an M5? Hell no! Is it frightening? Absolutely not. It's very heavy, and one feels that all the time. I personally love that feeling--it's like rolling down the road in a bomb-proof tank. But to that point, you feel the weight in the handling and it does lean a little, but not excessively. The awesome ride more than makes up for that.

About the only thing I would like to change is the steering feel on the highway. Just cruising straight for miles and miles, it often gets a little hard to keep the car pointed straight, especially if it's at all windy. Not that it's like our Avalance, that has firm steering that floats all over at the same time, just that the Caddy's steering effort feels light enough for parking lot speeds even when going 70+mph. But, yet again, it's not usually a problem.

Would I change anything? Maybe a few details, but not anything major. Maybe some chrome Brougham wheels or a sunroof if it had been there in the first place. But, no suspension tweaks. From the reviews I've read different times on here, some make it sound like the car is extremely floaty, loose, and uncontrollable. Maybe ours is just weird in that it's not like that, or it could just be my perception. I love pretty much everything as is though.

Would I drive a new BMW, Acura, etc.? Of course, but only if the Fleetwood was also there to serve as the occasional ultimate luxury vehicle. It is amazing soothing to drive easily after a long day, and something I always look forward to. I still do wonder what a LT1 Fleetwood is like though :sneaky: .

Either way, I hope you do find the "right" car some day, Elvis--and I hope it's a Caddy! A Deville sounds very much like something you're looking for, particularly a DTS. I wish I could afford to buy another Fleetwood....I think I'd be on a little trip to Memphis this weekend if I could!
You are wise beyond your years my friend. It's all personal choice in the end.
 

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caddycruiser said:
It's very heavy, and one feels that all the time. I personally love that feeling--it's like rolling down the road in a bomb-proof tank.
That's the thing I loved about my former DeVille and to a slightly less extent about my Fleetwood. It's not for everyone, and it can take a little getting used to, though.
 

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That's the thing I loved about my former DeVille and to a slightly less extent about my Fleetwood. It's not for everyone, and it can take a little getting used to, though.
I love my 95 DeVille, the handeling is excellent, the fuel economy is great, the ride is as smooth as silk and it's very comfortable. However if I found a 90-92 Brougham I would get rid of the DeVille without thinking twice. I miss my 84 SDV in the worst way.
 

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I think there's a little bit more to the "Euro" feel that I'm talking about than just changing springs. Weight distribution has something to do with it, too. Springs won't fix that.

Technologically, this car is back in the late 70's. There's a reason Cadillac discontinued it. There's a reason GM discontinued the B & D bodies.
The sole reason GM discontinued them, was because they needed more production capacity for trucks. These cars simply weren't selling in the numbers that trucks were at the time. And the trucks possessed the same '70's technology. So I don't think technology played a role in their decision.

Hell, look at GM today. They still aren't at the forefront of technology (sorry N* peeps). I can't think of very many GM car's that should remain if that were the criteria. The LS6 can trace it's roots back to the '50's. But no one is thinking of dropping the Vette or removing that engine from the NEW CTS-V.

You'd also be amazed what springs, shocks and sway bars will do to the handling characteristics of a car. Even a VERY large car. I also think the overall weight is what you feel, not the weight distribution. But it's noticable because of the softly sprung suspension. The weight distribution is on par with most road sedans, modern or '70's. It's also not that much heavier overall than the other model you think will give you the more modern feel.

I rented a Chrysler Concord last week, and my car rides and handles very similar. It made me appreciate the modifications I had done to the suspension that much more.

The Fleetwood ain't perfect and it isn't for everyone. I hope less people buy them and the Japanese and low riders continue to buy the good low mileage supplies. We want FoSS to be a very exclusive society in the US!
 

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What probably screwed things up for me is that I haven't driven anything like the Fleetwood in over ten years. I've become accustomed to the newer, more responsive steering and suspensions, and I absolutely FORGOT what it felt like to drive a cushy American luxury car.

This car felt like a Suburban to me. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I just wouldn't want to drive it every day.

I'd love to buy it and put it in the barn, bringing it out only once or twice a week. I can respect it for what it is, and appreciate its value AS IS. I don't want to change the suspension, because there's a time and place for it--just not in my everyday life.

Understand, I would never bash the car because I think it's truly an American classic. My needs and desires in an automobile have changed over the years because of the technological advances in handling.

For example, if I hadn't made that trip to fill up Mom's S430 early Tuesday morning, I might have had a different opinion. Also keep in mind that my Prelude was voted the best-handling car under $25,000 by Car & Driver. Its cornering is effortless.

That's a pretty harsh contrast, much like the one Sal experienced the first time he drove one after getting out of a Corvette.
 

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I think that you should buy what you want to buy. After all it is going to be your car, so get what YOU want. There's no need for you to be on the defensive because what some of us really like isn't for you. I hope I didn't come across that way, as I was just trying to offer you options if, in fact, you were interested in the FW. :) Sounds to me like a DTS would suit you well, maybe even an STS or SLS. Whatever it is you end up with, you'll be happy with it, because it'll fit YOUR needs.

Good luck and keep us posted in the search! :D

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What probably screwed things up for me is that I haven't driven anything like the Fleetwood in over ten years. I've become accustomed to the newer, more responsive steering and suspensions, and I absolutely FORGOT what it felt like to drive a cushy American luxury car.

This car felt like a Suburban to me. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I just wouldn't want to drive it every day.

I'd love to buy it and put it in the barn, bringing it out only once or twice a week. I can respect it for what it is, and appreciate its value AS IS. I don't want to change the suspension, because there's a time and place for it--just not in my everyday life.

Understand, I would never bash the car because I think it's truly an American classic. My needs and desires in an automobile have changed over the years because of the technological advances in handling.

For example, if I hadn't made that trip to fill up Mom's S430 early Tuesday morning, I might have had a different opinion. Also keep in mind that my Prelude was voted the best-handling car under $25,000 by Car & Driver. Its cornering is effortless.

That's a pretty harsh contrast, much like the one Sal experienced the first time he drove one after getting out of a Corvette.

Edit:fixed spelling, added missing words. ;)
 

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I think that you should buy what you want to buy. After all it is going to be your car, so get what YOU want. There's no need for you to be on the defensive because what some of really like isn't for you. I hope I didn't come across that way, as I was just trying to offer you options if, in fact, you were interested in the FW. :) Sounds to me like a DTS would suit you well, maybe even an STS or SLS. Whatever it is you end up with, you'll be happy with it, because it'll fit YOUR needs.

Good luck and keep us posted in the search! :D
well worded. hope you find what you are looking for
 

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See what I mean about that scary feeling, Elvis? Not everybody gets it, but some do. I did. Not so much anymore as I've gotten used to the car - but this will be the most difficult car to get out of a possible accident I've ever had. If I'm going 70mph on the L.I.E. and there's a hazard ahead - I make it out with no problem in my Vette - even probably in my ETC - but not in this.. Still, this is THE most comfortable car I've ever driven. I love how the seats are so soft.. I'm very comfortable in this car..

Otherwise - I thought the S430 felt very similar! I was used-to driving my Vette at the time, but I drove an S430 last year and felt very unsafe... Maybe I just don't remember that well and it handled much better than the Fleetwood..

I DO believe you'll get a very similar feeling if you did some work to the suspension. BUT - the car HAS to be YOU. I'm sure you'll be very happy in a Deville or DTS. I don't give a squirels nut about FWD or RWD. If you don't either, then you're all set...
 

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I've never been more comfortable sitting behind the wheel than I was in that Fleetwood. DAMN! I forgot it was a car for a minute there!

TMT, I never took what you said the wrong way. I still want a big RWD Caddy someday when I have space for it, but I would probably go for a '77-'79 model with the 425.
 

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Coming from a former 94 9C1 caprice and 95 Impala SS owner, I know what you mean. Dont get me wrong, I love B bodies, but I know the feeling you are talking about. I think you will find what you are looking for in a 2000+ Deville DTS. If you want even a little more sport, take a 98+ Seville STS for a spin. If either of these cars were RWD, it would be the best of both worlds. I have to admit though, my STS doesnt drive like a typical FWD car.

Have fun,

-Eli
 
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