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We're discussing this topic on another forum I visit. It's going to be extremely difficult.

We started off talking about how WalMart used to advertise that all of their products were "Made in the USA." Now it's all Chinese and cheap. The Waltons are making more money, and the American worker gets forced out of a job.

Maybe we can postpone the inevitable if we get in the habit of watching for that "Made in China" sticker and avoiding it.

When I was a kid, if we saw a "Made in Japan" sticker, we knew that whatever it was would turn out to be crap. Then transistor radios came along. I bought one at a gas station for $3.15 in 1974. It lasted twelve years.

I've been guilty of buying four Japanese cars, several Japanese televisions and computers. This China thing is scary. They could (and probably will) bury us.
 

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most things made in china are crap anyways, and the things that are made in japan, TVs, Radios, computers, well we dont have too much choice there.
 

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If ya wanna have "not much choice" in everything else, keep buying stuff from China & Japan !
My T.V.s are RCA, cars American, and I try. But, clothing? Impossible, likewise time pieces, Radios, CD players, etc, etc. I am very proud to say that no member of my immediate or extended family or those who have passed away ever bought a foreign car. Makes me feel very good to continue the tradition.
 

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I've owned a few foreign cars, but they were OLD ones...84 hondas and a 73 porsche...anything that I put any money into was always detroit iron...the rest, I try to buy american, but as Sandy said, its quite difficult, if not impossible, with some of the things that we consider necessities nowadays.
 

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True, and many japanese cars are built in America. Toyota trucks and Hondas come to mind. :)
 

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Not buying a Chinese made item this
Christmas is a veritable impossibility,
as repugnant as that harsh reality is.

China will bury us; but, not in our lifetime.

I would cut a nut off, with a cheap ass knife
made in China, before buying a Japanese car.

Walmart was great when the products
were 'All American'; now it is 'All Shit'.

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Concerning cars, we cannot sit here and say ''buy american, dont buy japanese.'' Cars are such a global market now, so right now peopel are saying dont buy honda, toyota or mazda, so what about ALL THOSE AMERICAN FACILITIES that build Honda, Toyota and Mazda cars here in the United states?? Just forget about those AMERICAN workers?? Oh what about the Mercedes and BMW plant we have here(ML and X5 plants)??? We cannot sit there and be so picky in this day and age because things have become so global.

I am only sick of the argument to ''buy american'' where it is made to make us feel bad for not supporting our own economy. I know I am young, but I know there was a time when ''Made in teh USA'' stood for a good quailty product. This is not the case anymore. Peopel dont buy foriegn products because we hate our own economy, but because overall forign products (assembled in Japan) provide good quailty and competative pricing. In our family we will contiue to buy Sony and Toshiba TVs, why?? Because we work hard for our money, and we want our products to go far. Instead of makign people feel bad so they buy american, they should increase American quaility of products so people will WANT TO buy american on thier own.
 

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I'd imagine it will be very difficult.
It certainly is in the UK.
My best buddy's dad owns a company that makes clothing for the large chain clothes stores. It's mostly made in Romania. Simple items like T-shirts are imported into the UK fromp the far East, they then put them on a truck along with labels, clear bags, ink etc, and drive the whole lot to Romania where they sew on the labels, put them in bags and maybe print a design onto them. In the meantime the truck picks up the latest batch and drives back.
It's actually cheaper to drive the stuff to Romania to have the label sewn on and drive it back than it is to do it over here. Go figure.


I notice when I buy products from the US by mail order that your packaging often says Made in America, or Assembled in America with parts from many countries. That kind of thing. I don't think they even bother with that over here, which is sad.

It's a real conflict, everyone wants their money to go further, to have more "things". They also want more pay and benefits.
One day when all the manufacturing is doen abroad we're gonna be in real s***.
 

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It is almost impossible to buy All-American. My brother, who is a staunch Harley-Davidson nut has told me that carb parts are made in Japan to keep costs down. :rolleyes:
 

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It IS impossible to buy ALL AMERICAN.

But is it impossible to buy NO CHINESE?

Let's not worry about the Japanese, I brought them up as an example because China is trying to follow their example.

Japan and South Korea are our friends. China is probably not.
 

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I wave the American flag. Served my country in the US Navy. At times it's impossible to buy American products because we were forced out of the market by cheap labor from China, Japan, India, Malaysia , Mexico etc, etc.
Sometimes the imported products are better. If it's electronics or a computer with an American name on it like "DELL" most of the parts or even the assembly is imported.
So what do I do? At times I have to compromise and buy the imported product. But if good "Stuff" is available here from the USA, I buy American.
I have a manufacturing business. The building is constructed with American materials and American labor. The machines are all American. My labor force is American. The same applies to my home. I own a 2004 CTS and a 1972 Corvette. USA makes wonderful cars and so do the Germans and the Japanese but my loyalty is first to the USA. No imports in my garage even if they are assembled here in the United States. I buy local, I buy Ohio and I buy USA. Every time you buy an import you strengthen their economy
 

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People get themselves in such a tizzy about this.

You want good quality goods that are cheap? The consumer forced things to be built elsewhere, nobody else, they want cheap prices, they will more often than not buy something for its price over where it was made, and the cheaper items are not home grown.

I have little choice but to buy foreign, and really, as long as I get a good quality product, I dont care where it comes from, because it is likely that parts are made for it everywhere.

Someone mentioned, most of the Japanese and German trucks are built in America. Why? Because Americans want the trucks. Americans buy the trucks. Americans build the trucks. Does this make it German or Japanese? No. It may have been designed in Japan or Germany, but it is American made.

I remember a 1980s BBC series, called Auf Weidersehen Pet. (HardRockCamaro can probably relate to this)

It is about some builders, from the area I am from, going to Germany to earn money building German homes, it was a comedy series, but it hit home alot, after the first two series, no more were made. Then recently, two new series of the program were made, and Mark Knopfler wrote the theme music:

"We're the nomad tribes, travelling boys
In the dust and dirt and the racket and the noise
Drills and hammers, diggers and picks
Mixing concrete, laying bricks
There's English, Irish, Scots, the lot
United Nation's what we've got
Brickies, chippies, every trade
German building, british-made"

Same thign applies to America
 

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People get themselves in such a tizzy about this.

You want good quality goods that are cheap? The consumer forced things to be built elsewhere, nobody else, they want cheap prices, they will more often than not buy something for its price over where it was made, and the cheaper items are not home grown.

I have little choice but to buy foreign, and really, as long as I get a good quality product, I dont care where it comes from, because it is likely that parts are made for it everywhere.

Someone mentioned, most of the Japanese and German trucks are built in America. Why? Because Americans want the trucks. Americans buy the trucks. Americans build the trucks. Does this make it German or Japanese? No. It may have been designed in Japan or Germany, but it is American made.

I remember a 1980s BBC series, called Auf Weidersehen Pet. (HardRockCamaro can probably relate to this)

It is about some builders, from the area I am from, going to Germany to earn money building German homes, it was a comedy series, but it hit home alot, after the first two series, no more were made. Then recently, two new series of the program were made, and Mark Knopfler wrote the theme music:

"We're the nomad tribes, travelling boys
In the dust and dirt and the racket and the noise
Drills and hammers, diggers and picks
Mixing concrete, laying bricks
There's English, Irish, Scots, the lot
United Nation's what we've got
Brickies, chippies, every trade
German building, british-made"

Same thign applies to America
I think the point that you miss is many Americans serious patriots. To you it doesn't matter, to us it matters a lot. I also find it hard to forget and to move on but both the Germans and the Japanese killed a lot of American and English in an attempt to rule the world. I've moved past the hatred but I sure as hell don't want to help them economically take over the world!
I don't like the fact that I have a friggin' French transmission and a German differential but thank God it's a Cadillac.
 

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The overlooked fact about "American" foreign car plants is that aside from the salaries the profits go back to the "motherland". Not to mention the huge tax breaks and incentives these companies are given to open their plants in the first place and the fact that they don't "allow" unions provides them with the margins necessary to undercut GM and Ford on their vehicles.

I buy GM and GM only.
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I think the point that you miss is many Americans serious patriots. To you it doesn't matter, to us it matters a lot. I also find it hard to forget and to move on but both the Germans and the Japanese killed a lot of American and English in an attempt to rule the world. I've moved past the hatred but I sure as hell don't want to help them economically take over the world!
I don't like the fact that I have a friggin' French transmission and a German differential but thank God it's a Cadillac.
That maybe, I dont think patriotism has really got any effect on anyone in the UK
Those in this country who claim to be patriots are people like the BNP and the National Front, and actually relate to the Nazi Party well. This is unforgivable, since what went on in the war etc.
Yes they did, and they paid.
All I can say is that it is inevitable. Had people thoguht about the consequences in the 70s and 80s, maybe America would not be in its current position. I dont think it is now possible to stop the Chinese and Japanese developing.
ALSO, you say the Japanese and Germans killed alot of English and Americans. That was 60 years ago. Thats a generation, now, I know sure as hell I do not share the same views as the generation before me, and I will not take responsibility for their mistakes. I doubt most Germans and Japenese would agree with what the previous generation did, so why hold the grudge against them, I will hold a grudge against their parents, maybe, but certainly not them
 

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The overlooked fact about "American" foreign car plants is that aside from the salaries the profits go back to the "motherland". Not to mention the huge tax breaks and incentives these companies are given to open their plants in the first place and the fact that they don't "allow" unions provides them with the margins necessary to undercut GM and Ford on their vehicles.

I buy GM and GM only.
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My Vectra is a GM car, yet it was built in Germany.....

Its a Vauxhall, its not even British designed anymore.....
 

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Yeah I remember Auf Weidersehen Pet, although not in any detail as I was a litle young I suppose. I watched the recent episdoes too.

If you try and be patriotic here you'll be compared to the BNP and the political correctness police will be on you like a ton of bricks. It's not socially acceptable in the UK to be patriotic. Mainly due to those who abuse that image such as the BNP and our foreign ambassadors, otherwise known as louts/yobs.

Frankly, I think it's too late to do anything about these countries who are becoming the next industrial captains of the world. The average consumer wants the cheapest microwave, tv, dvd player and whatever else they can get. And on credit too. We're becoming a nation of service industries.

All the flash memory for electroncis comes form the Far East, sure a lot of computers (including their components) are designed in the USA, but they're made in the far east. Your trainers are made in foreign lands.
They're made cheaply over ther ebecuase there are no unions,. bosses take advantage of employees by paying them next to nothing with no benefits. The mindset there is to work for the common good. If you don't like it there's thousands more waiting in line for your job.
And even if the parent companies are in the USA (or UK) they are using the large margins they make to get that money and invest it via other firms who then use that money to offer credit to the consumer so you can go out and buy more stuff.

Sure great things are stil made in the USA and the UK. We have great craftsmen that can put a car interior together like no-one else (if you're prepared to pay for it). The fine products today come from smaller companies and the prices are high. You cna buy a cheap suit from a chain store made in the far east or you can buy a fine suit from a tailors in Saville Row. Or you can buy a cheap pair of shoes made in some third world country, or you can buy a pair from Churchills.

I can buy a cheap torch or I can buy a Maglite.
I can buy a cheap multi-tool or I can buy a Leatherman.

Sadly, most people will not pay for quality.
I have a fine hi-fi system but if I put it on EBay what would I get? Next to nothing. Becuase they won't pay me as much as they'll pay for a new CD player from one of the big electrical stores ("but it's new, yours is old!").


People just look at the price tag and try and get as much stuff as they can.
They don't look a the long term picture. What it means for their kids, kids jobs.
 
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