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Actually, it is the shifter that is rubbish!

So I am ripping along at the top of 4th and go for a nice gentle shift to 5th(keep in mind that this is around 110mph+ and the shifter goes over into the reverse gate and GRIND. Pull it back to nuetral and go for 5th again with the same results, give up and shift to 6th. Go straight foraward into 5th with no problem, downshift into 4th and go back up to 5th with no trouble on the round. Furthermore, reverse is very difficult to engage and usually results in the selection of 5th instead.Go figure, you can't get reverse from Nuetral but you can get it just fine from 4th at 110MPH! :cookoo:

I can't wait for the Lasstss bushings and UUC shifter combo and have high hopes that it will make the gear box enjoyable!

BTW, THis is no case of driver error as I know the car and am an experienced rode racer and have driven plenty of difficult gearboxes. This one has just lost a clear delineation between the 5th and reverse gate. Had it into my dealer which is very good and they inspected the entire linkage proclaiming into normal and crappy. They suggested....you guessed it, I UUC shifter! :histeric:

Sorry, just need to vent about one of the worst shifter mechanisms that I have driven in any street or race car in the last 15 years. I would venture to say that this is worse than my prepped E36 M3 that would line up the 3rd gear gate with first coming out of a sweeping high-speed corner. At least there you could predict it! :D

That aside, had an enjoyable time with the V yesterday and found an '04 CLK55 AMG that was willing to play from 70-110 on several runs. The poor guy never had a chance which made me feel bad as that is truely a wonderful car. Too bad they took the best AMG car and stuck the worst motor in it, all because of marketing! If it had the blown V8, the results would have been very different.

Anyway, just thought I would rant and praise the V in the same post! :yup:
 

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Blacksport350 said:
Actually, it is the shifter that is rubbish!

So I am ripping along at the top of 4th and go for a nice gentle shift to 5th(keep in mind that this is around 110mph+ and the shifter goes over into the reverse gate and GRIND.
I had the exact same thing happen to me (not sure about what speed I was at, though).

What struck me as odd about it is the "CTS-V Details Book" states that the V has a reverse lockout mechanism to prevent this from occuring. The document is posted on the FAQ here:
http://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/answers/pdf/vsales.pdf
This is listed as a sales feature, right after the "skip shift feature", LOL.

Specifically, it states, "a reverse lockout system consisting of a reverse lockout solenoid that operates the reverse lockout mechanism is used on the T56 transmission to prevent the driver from shifting into reverse when the CTS-V is moving forward at speed of 3 mph or greater".

At the time I rationalized that I just imagined I missed 5th for reverse, and ground 5th with the clutch not fully depressed, or something.

Maybe I should have a dealer look at it just so they can reassure me "there's nothing wrong with the car".

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I never have had a problem like the one your describing....I mean it is a manual, so you do need to pay a little attention to shifting etc....otherwise if its really bothering you....get an automatic stsv?
 

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What struck me as odd about it is the "CTS-V Details Book" states that the V has a reverse lockout mechanism to prevent this from occuring. "a reverse lockout system consisting of a reverse lockout solenoid that operates the reverse lockout mechanism is used on the T56 transmission to prevent the driver from shifting into reverse when the CTS-V is moving forward at speed of 3 mph or greater".
Brian R.
If you use a lot of force the solenoid won't completely stop reverse from grinding.
When the '06 V gets the LS2 will it get the shifter improvements that the C6 got?
04CTSVFLA said:
I never have had a problem like the one your describing....I mean it is a manual, so you do need to pay a little attention to shifting etc....otherwise if its really bothering you....get an automatic stsv?
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I will agree that the shifter is very rubbery. I don't have 15 years race experience, but three VR6 Vws. When my car was in the shop I went into the dealer and there was a '05 vette on the floor so I hopped in. The shifter in that was so crisp! Why don't we have that?:banghead:
 

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Its happened several times, only when I'm running hard through the gears. Wich is the worst time for it to happen:bigroll: Oh well still enjoying the ride...
 

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04CTSVFLA said:
I never have had a problem like the one your describing....I mean it is a manual, so you do need to pay a little attention to shifting etc....otherwise if its really bothering you....get an automatic stsv?
What good does this response serve? The complaint is not about manual transmissions, in general. Its about this transmission in this application. Don't even try to pretend its not rubbery in feel, long in throw, and poor in feel. What good is reverse lockout if it doesn't lockout enough to prevent grinding.

I've almost exclusively driven manual cars, and I've had manual pickups with better "feel" than this. How many guys on this list have changed their shifters out to try to improve the feel. Its a bigger problem for the V than the differential, as its something that scares off buyers before they even own the car (both through bad mag reviews and on their own test drives).

This is a legitimate complaint, so don't wave the GM rah, rah flag on the "quality feel of the 6 speed", and tell people who bought the car to go elsewhere. If enough do, there may not be any more V. This is one of those complaints that Cadillac can and should remedy. Its not to be excused. Hell, they made this car a 6-speed to attract serious enthusiasts. Now your telling those enthusiasts to go buy an automatic (SRT or AMG perhaps). That's just stupid. Expecting every buyer to fix their own shifter to have the car be what it should have been is really dumb -- even more so than cheaping out on the differential.

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I agree w/B350, the tranny is bulletproof, its the shifter and linkage that needs a bullet put into it..


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I completely agree!!! I had the same issue running hard through the gears and I took it to my dealer. They said nothing was wrong and it operates as designed.:hmm:

I couldn’t be happier now that I have my UUC installed, now I need Lasstss’ bushings b/c mine are dead.
 

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daytripper,

No one is saying the shifter feels great and at times I've hated it. It was a mistake to put this transmission in a car like the CTS-V because a lot of potential customers will be turned off by the poor feel. This is a transmission that's more at home in a Viper, Camaro, Trans AM or Corvette, than it is in a Cadillac sport sedan.

Although, the 6 speed manual in the V is something I'll miss if I decide to get the STS-V. I don't mind the transmission now that I've driven the car for nearly 2 years but it's still sub par compared to its competitors.

I'll be amazed if the next CTS-V (if they make it) dosen't have a 6 speed auto. GM doesn't seem to show much interest in manual transmissions, probably because that bulk of American drivers don't know how to shift. I'd actually like to see the V taken up a couple of notches, and priced around $60,000. Offer a dual clutch transmission as an option, a SC small block or the LS7, and a solid rear end / cradle.
 

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Damn it...thats what ive been saying for the past year! Running through the gears SUCKS and to make it worse...the dealer can only say...it shifts fine! What short shifter are you guys using and does it help any in shifting gears? It makes the throw shorter, without a doubt, but as to actually getting it in first gear...does it make a difference?
 

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Shifting from 4th to 5th should be second nature. I find I have to make sure I don't grind reverse going into 5th. I asked a while back if we had a lockout after hearing that grinding. Please fix it.
 

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Blacksport350 said:
Actually, it is the shifter that is rubbish!

So I am ripping along at the top of 4th and go for a nice gentle shift to 5th(keep in mind that this is around 110mph+ and the shifter goes over into the reverse gate and GRIND. Pull it back to nuetral and go for 5th again with the same results, give up and shift to 6th. Go straight foraward into 5th with no problem, downshift into 4th and go back up to 5th with no trouble on the round. Furthermore, reverse is very difficult to engage and usually results in the selection of 5th instead.Go figure, you can't get reverse from Nuetral but you can get it just fine from 4th at 110MPH! :cookoo:

I can't wait for the Lasstss bushings and UUC shifter combo and have high hopes that it will make the gear box enjoyable!

BTW, THis is no case of driver error as I know the car and am an experienced rode racer and have driven plenty of difficult gearboxes. This one has just lost a clear delineation between the 5th and reverse gate. Had it into my dealer which is very good and they inspected the entire linkage proclaiming into normal and crappy. They suggested....you guessed it, I UUC shifter! :histeric:
LMAO--the timing of your post is actually quite scary, as I was just going to do a search on this forum on the EXACT same issue; I mean EXACTLY...

I have a UUC shifter and the problem does NOT go away AT ALL; not one iota.

I just got back from the dealer, but their transmission specialist didn't have time today to look at it. I scheduled an appointment for next Tuesday for him to look at it, but, reading what you have said, it might just be for nothing.

I have found that the "lock-out" to reverse is actually quite feeble. While I consider myself a fairly powerful man, I can assure you that I'm NOT shoving the crap out of it to get past the "lock-out;" it's just not that strong/resistant. In other words, next time you are driving, say 60mph or something, just push to the passenger side of the car, like you were going to shift into reverse. By all means, don't push it up into reverse, as that will result in a nasty grind, but you can test/see just how strong the solenoid is (which it isn't...)

daytripper said:
Specifically, it states, "a reverse lockout system consisting of a reverse lockout solenoid that operates the reverse lockout mechanism is used on the T56 transmission to prevent the driver from shifting into reverse when the CTS-V is moving forward at speed of 3 mph or greater".
Is there anything out there that is a simple solution to this problem? Perhaps a solenoid that generates more than like 1 lb of counter-pressure might help...

It's so frustrating.

#1 concern about this car: REAR DIFFERENTIAL
#2 concern about this car: the CRAP SHIFTING TRANSMISSION!

ARGH!

It's ironic that my '97 Z28 Camaro shifts 1,000 times better than my Cadillac in my mind...
 

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Try palming the shifter from 4th to 5th. it will naturally want to go into the propper gate, and you will NEVER grind reverse if you do it in this manner. Its faster too. Same technique applies from 2nd to 3rd. You'd be amazed at how much more accurate, and quicker this technique is.

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UUC didn't help here either, nor did Exedy clutch/fly. What did help was shifting like shooting a rifle--relax, breathe out, follow through. I agree-- a simple palm of the shifter or a flick of the wrist and it usually finds fifth pretty easily, in my car at least. I've driven manual transmissions for 25 years, and this one has taken me the longest to master...that said, I think the tranny will outlast just about everything in this car.

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keeks,

The linkage is the issue. When (if) you have swapped out the shifter, then you know about the spindly long attachments to the tranny. These are the slop causers. The issue is that this is not a directly connected shifter.

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Florian said:
keeks,

The linkage is the issue. When (if) you have swapped out the shifter, then you know about the spindly long attachments to the tranny. These are the slop causers. The issue is that this is not a directly connected shifter.

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I was about to post that the linkage was likely the issue, but you beat me to it. Doesn't the Mallet shifter replace the linkage too (maybe some other aftermarket one). Like I said before, the owner can only be expected to correct so many of the wrongs -- Cadillac has to meet us somewhere in the middle.

I agree with those who point out that when you shift carefully, guiding the shifter to its gate, it goes where you want it. Its when your quickly running through the gears, or slapping/forcing/hurrying the shifter into gear, its tough. I guess that's more of the kind of no-no driving Cadillac did not expect. Note to group. No racing through the gears, take it nice and easy and slow guys...
After all, this isn't a Porsche or a Miata, or some other car with a shifter that receives praise.

Brian R.
 
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