i remember reading that a long time ago, but the key question about that thread is what year did those STS wheels come from? and after re-reading that, i see his issue with the +51 offset, but something just doesnt add up to me in there. i am going to have to read that whole thread several times and try to understand what he is talking about, because i can take the wheels off my 05 and 06 STS and they fit the CTS perfect...