[CTS-VETTE 550HP]

Like it or not, you CTS-V guys are driving a quick entry level Caddy. People with serious bank tend not to go for entry level.

Watch me get lynched by the CTS-V people...

davesdeville,
apparently you don't know the difference between performance and entry level so when your nuts have dropped (18 yrs old) get back to us with some actual knowledge on the issue... lol sorry couldn't resist anymore

 

[Koooop]

I bought a CTS-V because it has a Corvette engine.

I won't buy an STS or STS-V because I'm not a Northstar fan.

I didn't buy an E55 Kompressor because (are you ready) it's a big fat soft Cadillac with a big engine crammed in it! (What a role reversal) And the price is stupid and it was scheduled to be discontinued.

I didn't buy a C55 or M3 because the back seats are actually cleverly disguised luggage compartments and are totally useless for baby seats or adults.

I didn't buy the M5 because the price was stupid (and the CTS-V was better in every catagory at that time), and it was set for replacement.

The new M5...Drool, drool. The price is even more stupid, but if I grow some balls, maybe!

 

[Seattle CTS-V]

As you get more mature, you'll learn to differentiate between price and value. Whether it is a Ferrari F430, a V, or a Mini Cooper, people with "serious bank" buy what pleases them, not what might impress the peanut gallery.

CR

When I told my friends I had actually bought a Cadillac I was met with very surprised looks. They all own BMW, Lexus, MB, and Audis. They all thought I would purchase a more expensive 'nameplate' car just b/c I could afford it. I could tell that my friend who just bought a 545 was relieved that I had bought an 'inferior' car to his. He's one of those guys that wants to one-up you all the time. One of the greatest things for me about the v-series cars is the fact that it is sooo underrated by everyone. It puts a smile on my face each and every time I out-accelerate and out-handle a car that many other uninformed people deem to be superior.

I think it's great Cadillac is trying to bring about the V-series in each car in their lineup. Is the STS-V worth the extra money? I'm sure it will be to some and, ultimately, that's all that really matters.

 

[Nocturn]

I know which is the supercharged one. The Cobalt SS is just an analagy not becuase they added a supercharger but because its the top trim of the Cobalt line, just like the CTSV is of the CTS line. The CTS is the entry level car from Cadillac, thus the CTSV is the top trim of the entry level car from Cadillac.

Someone want to tell me what they changed from the CTS to the CTSV, and what they appearntly didn't also do to the STS to the STSV that makes the CTSV more valid? They both got the same treatment and upgrades.

And the Supercharged cobalt did get a smaller engine (2.0 vs 2.2)

 

[RocketV]

I have owned and driven both a CTS and my CTS-V. I challenge anyone who passes off the V as a "Trim Level" to actually drive one and then give an opinion. My V is an absolute beast, especially when compared to the CTS I used to have. Some of the differences could be construed as upgrades (alcantara seat inserts, for example), but the power and performance put it on a whole different level from the v6 CTS, enough to make it totally different car.

For this reason, I will not pass judgement on the STS-V until I have actully driven one. I will say though, as a product designer, that I find it very attractive, even with the overdone script on the doors.

If you drive a CTS-V, you will see why we all think our car is "God".:cool2:

 

[cruzajc1]

I like this thread, but just straight (stock for stock) numbers show that the STS-V is a tenth quicker in the quarter mile even with that extra weight. Am I mising something here?

 

[wildwhl]

I like this thread, but just straight (stock for stock) numbers show that the STS-V is a tenth quicker in the quarter mile even with that extra weight. Am I mising something here?

The right driver could possibly change that, but I'm just here to :stirpot:


CVP33 is right - the STS-V isn't really worth the price differential, at least to those of us who own and love our CTSV's...add a Maggie and you're still less than an STS-V and it isn't LUXURIOUS enough, IMHO, to justify the additional heft of the car.

But, alas, they are our younger brothers so we'll have to allow them their :cookoo:

 

[6104696]

STS-V Driver: "Pardon me, sir, do you have any Grey Poupon?"

CTS-V Driver: "Hey...do you know of any good restaurants on the way to Summit Point from here? Kind of in a rush; racer registration is at 9 am."

 

[ahahnu]

I encounter people with serious bank everyday, my company targets the top 3% of the world population. They have multiple homes all over the world, their own jets and SERVANTS to drive THEM around daily. They do have multiple cars, drivers, and cars that they can enjoy, and not everybody is the same. There are guys who have the Ferrari collection, Lambos, Astons, all that crap. The CTS is the entry level car for Cadillac. The CTS-V is a muscle car. The definition of a muscle car is the smallest body available (to Cadillac) and stuff the biggest motor available into it (the LS6). If you look at the way car trends are going there are more 4 door type cars, and now companies are boosting them with hp. For me the choice was simple. I wanted an American car, 4 door, with balls. When walking around the NYC auto show I saw an LS6 stuffed into CTS. Perfect. When they came out with my color I bought it. I need a car that seats more then the Vette, and is just as fast. Bingo, Winner, Yatzee, Whammy, tell me what I won: a badass Cadillac thats fast luxurious, and very rare. M3s and M5s, E55s and all that are a dime a dozen. I can count on both hands the amount of times I've seen a V. Besides I'm 5'8" 130. A STS-V would be silly big. And I would of never bought a Cadillac if it wasn't for the V. People ask me ALL THE TIME why did I buy a Cadillac, I explain, and they still don't get it. I take them for a ride, its a different story. Go Chris!

 

[crowan]

STS-V Driver: "Pardon me, sir, do you have any Grey Poupon?"

CTS-V Driver: "Hey...do you know of any good restaurants on the way to Summit Point from here? Kind of in a rush; racer registration is at 9 am."

CTS Driver: "When I get serious bank and start speaking like an adult, I'm getting rid of this entry level Caddie.":hide:

 

[CTS-VETTE 550HP]

I encounter people with serious bank everyday, my company targets the top 3% of the world population. They have multiple homes all over the world, their own jets and SERVANTS to drive THEM around daily. They do have multiple cars, drivers, and cars that they can enjoy, and not everybody is the same. There are guys who have the Ferrari collection, Lambos, Astons, all that crap. The CTS is the entry level car for Cadillac. The CTS-V is a muscle car. The definition of a muscle car is the smallest body available (to Cadillac) and stuff the biggest motor available into it (the LS6). If you look at the way car trends are going there are more 4 door type cars, and now companies are boosting them with hp. For me the choice was simple. I wanted an American car, 4 door, with balls. When walking around the NYC auto show I saw an LS6 stuffed into CTS. Perfect. When they came out with my color I bought it. I need a car that seats more then the Vette, and is just as fast. Bingo, Winner, Yatzee, Whammy, tell me what I won: a badass Cadillac thats fast luxurious, and very rare. M3s and M5s, E55s and all that are a dime a dozen. I can count on both hands the amount of times I've seen a V. Besides I'm 5'8" 130. A STS-V would be silly big. And I would of never bought a Cadillac if it wasn't for the V. People ask me ALL THE TIME why did I buy a Cadillac, I explain, and they still don't get it. I take them for a ride, its a different story. Go Chris!

amen brother couldn't have said it any better myself.

 

[BowenCT]

OK OK my turn!!!!!!

1. I wouldn't be caught dead in a non-V CTS. Sorry CTS guys....nice car, but not for me.

2. I wouldn't be caught dead in a non-V STS. Sorry STS guys....nice car, but not for me.

3. If the STS-V was the same price as the CTS-V, I'd still choose the CTS-V.

 

[Dave's V]

Somehow, I would bet an 18 year old's "serious" bank is his parent's so actually he isn't worth sh!t. Once you can go out and earn enough money for any Caddy, let us know. Even if you "received" the money from someone else, that is not EARNING it.

$27k for useless options since that is basically the big difference between the two V's. At least the XLR V drivers can say their car is unique.

The CTS V set the standard and even though the STS V costs almost a GTO more, they haven't reached the CTS V's performance standards.

 

[davesdeville]

Oh I'm not rich don't get me wrong. I paid for my ETC with my own money from a job. If my parents were rich and paid for everything, I'd be driving a CTS-V now and an STS-V asap. BTW, the STS-V will indeed outrun a CTS-V in a straight line (and although autox and road racing is fun, 1/4 mile is what I do.) It's like I said, STS-V > CTS-V in every way except aftermarket support (and price.)

 

[CTS-VETTE 550HP]

reminder to GM don't piss these V guys or stocks may tumble.

 

[CVP33]

Oh I'm not rich don't get me wrong. I paid for my ETC with my own money from a job. If my parents were rich and paid for everything, I'd be driving a CTS-V now and an STS-V asap. BTW, the STS-V will indeed outrun a CTS-V in a straight line (and although autox and road racing is fun, 1/4 mile is what I do.) It's like I said, STS-V > CTS-V in every way except aftermarket support (and price.)

A couple of quick questions David.

1) Which vehicle do you currently terrorize the quarter mile with? The eldorado or the seville? BTW, when you tire of going in a straight line you will then know the joy of truly driving a performance vehicle vs. aiming.

2) If by ">" you mean larger than you are correct. If ">" means better than you must define better. Is the STS-V a better car for it's targeted market? I don't think so. Is it a better value? I don't think so.

The STS-V is a slightly larger rebadged CTS (yes CTS) with a S/C 4.4 liter. Where else do you think they got those lines? See one on the road and you have to look damned hard to confirm it's an STS coming vs. a CTS. AND it damn well better be faster because from where I'm sittin' that's all its got going for it. It's slower than ALL it's competitors and will sadly get be killed within 2 years after GM realizes it's mistake.

Marketing, pricing and positioning of the STS-V is so far off base as to be laughable. I haven't seen a blunder like this since the Aztek.

 

[Devil_concours]

Oh I'm not rich don't get me wrong. I paid for my ETC with my own money from a job. If my parents were rich and paid for everything, I'd be driving a CTS-V now and an STS-V asap. BTW, the STS-V will indeed outrun a CTS-V in a straight line (and although autox and road racing is fun, 1/4 mile is what I do.) It's like I said, STS-V > CTS-V in every way except aftermarket support (and price.)

sts-v will not beat the cts-v in the road course. Sts-v running 8:30+ and cts-v under 8:20 at the ring (mind you nurburgring nordschief is a high speed track and sts-v should win according to the horsepower but it didn't). This is probably the same reason why e55 will not beat a c55 on a road course but not as extreme in this case.

 

[Vrocks]

Please follow This link and scroll down to my post. There is more here than just 1 inch of room and an automatic. Driving a CTS and STS is night and day, and the Vs will be no exception.

Here's what I think after driving a few CTS's and STS's:

The CTS is the drivers car. It handles and feels better than the STS.
The STS is the luxury car. All of the new technologies with a quiet and smooth ride.

 

[2005V]

You CTS-V guys crack me up. You think your car is top dog, and now you're getting pissy because a bigger meaner dog just moved in. The CTS-V is great, only problem for you guys is that the STS-V is better in just about every way except aftermarket.

Speaking of the aftermarket, check out the mods in the header as well as the hp/tq numbers. All of that was done for l/t $10K. I'll show that "bigger meaner dog" my taillights any day of the week and will do so in a car that has style and originality.

So, by all means, go pay an extra $27K for an additional 69 hp at the crank and a soulless boat with woodgrain. I'll see (and own) you on the road...

:farting:

Nick

 

[GNSCOTT]

You can post every little gadget the STS-V has that the CTS-V does not and it still does not add up to the difference. You buy a performance car for performance, not for double sound insulation. The V still rips the STS-V even though The STS-V has almost 70 more HP.

People will not pass up a comparable Mercedes or BMW to save $3k and get the Caddy. I'll take a CTS-V, a Solstice, and change left over for tires for the price of the STS-V.