STS-V Pricing is $77K!!!
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the CTS is an entry level Cadillac but it is still a luxury car. a 2.8 CTS mt with almost no options at 30k dollars is entry level. that really isnt that cheap either. the V is not entry level, entry level cannot start out at 50k dollars unless it was a Bentley... sorry.davesdeville said:
I can't recall the last time 14 in Brembo's on an entry level car and don't forget
CAGS.....LOL (not that it's a desirable option).
If it makes you feel better to think of the CTS-V as fast entry level vehicle, then have at it.
I've had Lexus, Acura, Saab, Honda, and even a couple of Corvettes. My latest 'entry level' purchase beats them all hands down in every category.
CAGS.....LOL (not that it's a desirable option).
If it makes you feel better to think of the CTS-V as fast entry level vehicle, then have at it.
I've had Lexus, Acura, Saab, Honda, and even a couple of Corvettes. My latest 'entry level' purchase beats them all hands down in every category.
Price has nothing do with entry level.
The entry level aston martin cost 110K..(new V8 vantage I think...but I may be thinking of the DB9). The entry level Porshe cost 50K (boxter). The entry level Lambo cost 110K.
Entry level simply means its the cheapest, usually most common, most manufactored vehicle in a lineup.
Take Chevy for example. A base line cobalt is the cheapest car you can get from chevy (ignoring crap ass aveo), the SS SC cobalt cost up to 24K, and will blow a base cobalt away, but the point remains its still a cobalt and still the entry level car from chevy.
Look at the first three letters in CTSV...its still a CTS, which is still the entry level car for Cadillac, it's not a seperate model, but a trim level. Exactly like the M3, M5 and AMG cars.
The entry level aston martin cost 110K..(new V8 vantage I think...but I may be thinking of the DB9). The entry level Porshe cost 50K (boxter). The entry level Lambo cost 110K.
Entry level simply means its the cheapest, usually most common, most manufactored vehicle in a lineup.
Take Chevy for example. A base line cobalt is the cheapest car you can get from chevy (ignoring crap ass aveo), the SS SC cobalt cost up to 24K, and will blow a base cobalt away, but the point remains its still a cobalt and still the entry level car from chevy.
Look at the first three letters in CTSV...its still a CTS, which is still the entry level car for Cadillac, it's not a seperate model, but a trim level. Exactly like the M3, M5 and AMG cars.
04 CTS-V, 05 STS, 07 SRX- All sold :(
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Since you were so condescending, okay:CVP33 said:
-Double laminated glass around the whole car
-rainsense wipers
-5.1 channel DVD audio
-touchscreen nav
-bluetooth
-twice the sound deadening via mats in the firewall, doors, floor, etc..
-intellibeam headlight control
-leather wrapped door inserts,
-leather wrapped dash
-Leather wrapped center console
-Olive ash wood trim
-A/V interface for iPods
-15 speaker DTS audio system
-power tilt/telescope steering wheel
-ultrasonic park assist
-Adaptive remote start
-Push button start
-2 selectable reverse curb view mirrors
-6 Speed automatic with driver shift control
-Air conditioned seats
...and that's just to name a few luxury items the CTS-V doesn't have as you requested. I won't even get into things like LED tail lights, dual projector beam headlights, projector foglights, decklid spoiler, etc....
No one here insulted your car. If you want to get snippy however, know your facts before you jump up on a pedestal. The CTS is Cadillac's least expensive 4 door car, and one with the optional powertrain enhancements (the V) is a badass sports car with luxury included.
The STS is Cadillac's most expensive 4 door car, and one with the optional powertrain enhancements (the V) is a premium luxury car with badass performance included.
I would never own a base CTS nor would I plunk down $77,000 for a s/c 4.4 liter STS. Just not enough car there to justify the price. I will bet that the market will bear this out.
While the CTS is an entry level Cadillac, the CTS-V is in a class by itself. It out performs and out handles all comers in it's class. The base CTS cannot make that claim. Nor can the the STS or STS-V.
I'm sorry fellas you're wrong again on all counts. Is the STS-V a better car than the CTS-V. It damn well better be for $26,000. Hell I can buy a 2006 LS2 equipped CTS-V and a GTO for that cash.
You can have your olive wood and parking assist, frankly I have no use for either. I know the old foggies love that shit though and that's why they're in there.
I bought the ANTI-Cadillac and I'm damned proud of it. I'll say it again, the Cadillac name plate is more of a deterrent to buying the V than a selling point. Case in point. The STS-V is exactly what I would expect from GM, under powered and over priced. The STS-V will get handled by the E55 and new M5. The CTS-V killed the C32, M3 and S4 and did it for thousands less. While the STS-V is thousands less than the E and M it lacks their performance.
I picked a winner, the STS-V unfortunately is a loser. That is of course if GM still claims it's a performance luxury sedan. If not. Than it's a pretty high priced option package.
And I apologize if this sounds condescending. It's not meant to but I know that some will take it that way. :highfive:
While the CTS is an entry level Cadillac, the CTS-V is in a class by itself. It out performs and out handles all comers in it's class. The base CTS cannot make that claim. Nor can the the STS or STS-V.
I'm sorry fellas you're wrong again on all counts. Is the STS-V a better car than the CTS-V. It damn well better be for $26,000. Hell I can buy a 2006 LS2 equipped CTS-V and a GTO for that cash.
You can have your olive wood and parking assist, frankly I have no use for either. I know the old foggies love that shit though and that's why they're in there.
I bought the ANTI-Cadillac and I'm damned proud of it. I'll say it again, the Cadillac name plate is more of a deterrent to buying the V than a selling point. Case in point. The STS-V is exactly what I would expect from GM, under powered and over priced. The STS-V will get handled by the E55 and new M5. The CTS-V killed the C32, M3 and S4 and did it for thousands less. While the STS-V is thousands less than the E and M it lacks their performance.
I picked a winner, the STS-V unfortunately is a loser. That is of course if GM still claims it's a performance luxury sedan. If not. Than it's a pretty high priced option package.
And I apologize if this sounds condescending. It's not meant to but I know that some will take it that way. :highfive:
You're on the right track but you're still missing it. The STS-V is the one that they added the super charger to not the CTS-V. The STS is the entry level sedan for future CTS-V owners. When a STS owner thinks they can step up to the power and handling they can move up to a CTS-V.Nocturn said:
The CTS-V isn't just a rebadge and a super charger like a Cobalt SS or STS-V. The entire drive train, suspension, body, wheels, brakes, options are changed. Comparing the STS-V to the Cobalt SS would be a better analogy if they actually gave the Cobalt a smaller motor before they supercharged it.
I know this is hard to take but anyway you judge the STS-V it just sucks. Compare it to cars in it's class and it get's owned on performance. Compare it to "lesser" M3's, S4's and CTS-V's and it becomes painfully overpriced. Sorry guys the STS-V is nobody's car. It's not a peformer and frankly it's not a value.
All I'm saying is that the STS has more features and options than the CTS. Take my word for it or research it yourself, it's a fact. Hence, the STS commands a higher price than the CTS. Like it or not, CTS is still the entry level sedan. You CTS-V guys seem like you think your car is God and there's absolutely no reason for anyone to buy an STS-V, that's far from being the case.
If the CTS isn't the entry level Cadillac, what is? (And don't say BLS, because that's not out yet, and isn't even going to be available in the US.)[/QUOTE]
Get your cars right! You seem to think the V is the same as the CTS (any regular model CTS). This is as accurate as saying the BMW 3 series is the same as an M3 or a 500 series is an M5. Totally different cars for totally different markets. Go DRIVE a V and then tell me you don't want one (if you can drive a stick and like to drive). If you like to float and be surronded by woodgrain the V is not your car but if you want to DRIVE a car and feel the joy of power, handeling and yes superior stopping then a V is your car. I agree that the Cadillac name almost kept me from buying the V and I really wish the badge on it was just that, a V without the CTS attachment. Notice how BMW keeps the M series distinct? That is what Cadillac should do with all of it's V-s.
If the CTS isn't the entry level Cadillac, what is? (And don't say BLS, because that's not out yet, and isn't even going to be available in the US.)[/QUOTE]
Get your cars right! You seem to think the V is the same as the CTS (any regular model CTS). This is as accurate as saying the BMW 3 series is the same as an M3 or a 500 series is an M5. Totally different cars for totally different markets. Go DRIVE a V and then tell me you don't want one (if you can drive a stick and like to drive). If you like to float and be surronded by woodgrain the V is not your car but if you want to DRIVE a car and feel the joy of power, handeling and yes superior stopping then a V is your car. I agree that the Cadillac name almost kept me from buying the V and I really wish the badge on it was just that, a V without the CTS attachment. Notice how BMW keeps the M series distinct? That is what Cadillac should do with all of it's V-s.
1995 ETC, 75 Deville, Cad500 powered 73 Apollo, 94 Mark VIII
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You CTS-V guys crack me up. You think your car is top dog, and now you're getting pissy because a bigger meaner dog just moved in. The CTS-V is great, only problem for you guys is that the STS-V is better in just about every way except aftermarket.
I'd take touch screen Nav, Blue-tooth and remote start from the STS-V and put it in the CTS-V. For the price of an STS-V you can take the savings and mod the hell out of CTS-V and stomp on the STS-V. I think the STS-V is going to be nice but I hope like hell it can hold up the V name when it goes up against its competitors. The CTS-V holds its own, still. Again, I think the STS-V is nice but not for that price but if you can afford, why not?
I think GNSCOTT has it right about the SRT8--I'm worried that this 77K will drive more people away from GM and into a 300C Hemi or SRT8 (or the CTSV), and maybe pick up a nice winter car or track car for the difference.
Not sure how you can say any car is better than any other car if you haven't driven both. I'm looking forward to driving an STSV to compare with my CTSV. But with all of the extra features listed and the pictures I have seen, I'm worried that it will feel to me like the Chrysler cars of the 80's and 90's felt to me compared to the GM cars of the same period--kind of a car-maker role reversal, GM morphing into Chrysler and vice-versa.:hmm:
Not sure how you can say any car is better than any other car if you haven't driven both. I'm looking forward to driving an STSV to compare with my CTSV. But with all of the extra features listed and the pictures I have seen, I'm worried that it will feel to me like the Chrysler cars of the 80's and 90's felt to me compared to the GM cars of the same period--kind of a car-maker role reversal, GM morphing into Chrysler and vice-versa.:hmm:
I did not purchase my 04 CTS-V because it was a Caddy. I purchased it because of its features/performance. There is no way in hell I would have purchased any other Caddy otherwise (maybe an Escalade at the time).davesdeville said:
What do you consider "serious bank"? I have a 2006 BMW M5 on its way...is that serious bank enough?
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I couldn't agree more! I have never owned a Cadillac before and had to think long and hard about owning one being an M and AMG kind of guy. What I bought was a 4-door Corvette, nothing more, nothing less. I personally would not buy an STS-V or XLR-V no matter how good, in their price rangew I would and will go for the M5 or SLK55 as they give you more bang for not so much more $.CVP33 said:
The CTS-V does things that that only the RS4 and M5 can better and is MUCH less expensive making it the bargain of the group and a viable product.
Now if only the CTS-V was 15% smaller and 300lbs lighter...oh well, can't have everything!
Except the M5 is definitely a better performer than the M3.Leloz said:
On the other hand the STS V is bigger, heavier, more comfortable suspension and a smaller displacement (yes I know it is SC) engine. Those aren't exactly the best things for performance. I forgot about the automatic.
It is very hard to justify paying $25k more for a few extra standard features that most people never would use otherwise.
Now $77k for a 7.0L Z06, that is worth it. But I guess it might not be modern enough for the STS V driver. (JK)
I'll chime in:
CTS-V = 4 Door Z06, not just a Corvette. I was split between a Z06, Dodge Magnum R/T and the V. If I knew the rear end woahs, I would've probably got the Z06 instead!
But, Godamn, I love my V, even if she's in the shop right now.
CTS-V = 4 Door Z06, not just a Corvette. I was split between a Z06, Dodge Magnum R/T and the V. If I knew the rear end woahs, I would've probably got the Z06 instead!
But, Godamn, I love my V, even if she's in the shop right now.
Lynched? Not likely. Nobody takes any opinion from an 18 year old very seriously, especially if it has to do with the spending habits of "people who have bank." :thepan:davesdeville said:
I sold an S55 AMG to get my CTS-V because the former didn't give me the driving experience that I was looking for, at almost twice the price. I think you will find that most of the V owners acquired the car after carefully considering choices in a number of price brackets. Speaking for myself, the V is a specialty car that is the most fun I've had on 4 wheels at any price. It is no more an entry-level Cadillac than the original GTO was an entry level Pontiac and a "pretty quick" LeMans. (I know: waaay before your time.)
As you get more mature, you'll learn to differentiate between price and value. Whether it is a Ferrari F430, a V, or a Mini Cooper, people with "serious bank" buy what pleases them, not what might impress the peanut gallery.
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