I doubt highly that anyone who owns a CTS-V bought it because it was a Cadillac. If anything the name plate was nearly a deterent. As for me, I bought a 4 door Corvette. And for the record it's far more than entry level. :lildevil:
STS-V Pricing is $77K!!!
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*sigh* I know I'll regret this, but there is no denying that the CTS-V is an entry level car with upgraded supsension and powertrain. That's not to say it isn't a damn nice car with excellent performance, but a fact is a fact. There's nothing wrong with that, you CTS guys shouldn't take it as an insult. It is the entry level car, just like an M3.
STS and CTS are apples and oranges. The cars have different priorities and intended owners. To say otherwise would be like saying that the SL600 isn't worth the money because it only has a little more shoulder room than an SLK350.
STS and CTS are apples and oranges. The cars have different priorities and intended owners. To say otherwise would be like saying that the SL600 isn't worth the money because it only has a little more shoulder room than an SLK350.
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Look at the options and features available on the STS compared to the CTS and tell me who's uninformed.CVP33 said:
CTS-V is not the entry level Cadillac. In fact it's sticker of $51,395 is higher than every base Cadillac car with the exception of the XLR. Now if you mean the base CTS for $31,235 with it's V6, no NAV, no 6 speed etc. I'd have to agree.
Here's the facts:
'06 CTS-V $51,395
'06 STS $41,470
'06 DTS $41,190
'05 Deville $46,840
'06 SRX $39,995
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Here's the facts:
'06 CTS-V $51,395
'06 STS $41,470
'06 DTS $41,190
'05 Deville $46,840
'06 SRX $39,995
Righting the wrongs of the uninformed once again.
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Actually, the base CTS has a 6 speed manual. You have to pay extra to get the automaticCVP33 said:CTS-V is not the entry level Cadillac. In fact it's sticker of $51,395 is higher than every base Cadillac car with the exception of the XLR. Now if you mean the base CTS for $31,235 with it's V6, no NAV, no 6 speed etc. I'd have to agree.
Here's the facts:
'06 CTS-V $51,395
'06 STS $41,470
'06 DTS $41,190
'05 Deville $46,840
'06 SRX $39,995
Righting the wrongs of the uninformed once again.
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You're not paying that $51k for a lot of luxury options, you're paying it for speed.
Dave,
C'mon man you really can't be that dense. Please tell me which one of these options listed below actually help the V go faster.
Navigation
Two zone climate control
Bose Stereo
XM Radio
8 way power seats
Heated Seats
Memory Package
Full Leather interior
Leather Steering Wheel
Leather Shifter
Moon Roof
Homelink
Front, Side and Side Curtain Airbags
Fog Lamps and Driving Lights
Tire Pressure Monitor System
Full instrumentation - oil temp, water temp, oil pressure, rear diff temp
OnStar
Auto dimming rear view mirror
Tilt Wheel
Power Steering and Brakes
Alarm Theft Deterrent System
All Power Options
Cruise Control
Headlight Washers
Stability and Traction control
HID headlights
You're paying for speed and luxury. Now here's your homework. List all the luxury options available on the STS that are not available on the CTS-V. I hear crickets. Not very many huh?
Oh nevermind. I just noticed you're 18. I thought I knew everything when I was 18 too. Take care. :thumbsup:
C'mon man you really can't be that dense. Please tell me which one of these options listed below actually help the V go faster.
Navigation
Two zone climate control
Bose Stereo
XM Radio
8 way power seats
Heated Seats
Memory Package
Full Leather interior
Leather Steering Wheel
Leather Shifter
Moon Roof
Homelink
Front, Side and Side Curtain Airbags
Fog Lamps and Driving Lights
Tire Pressure Monitor System
Full instrumentation - oil temp, water temp, oil pressure, rear diff temp
OnStar
Auto dimming rear view mirror
Tilt Wheel
Power Steering and Brakes
Alarm Theft Deterrent System
All Power Options
Cruise Control
Headlight Washers
Stability and Traction control
HID headlights
You're paying for speed and luxury. Now here's your homework. List all the luxury options available on the STS that are not available on the CTS-V. I hear crickets. Not very many huh?
Oh nevermind. I just noticed you're 18. I thought I knew everything when I was 18 too. Take care. :thumbsup:
Umm an M3 is a 2 door with a small back seat. An M5 is a 4 door that seats 5 comfortably. A CTS-V and an STS-V are both 4 doors that seat 5 comfortably, the STS-V seats it a whole inch more comfortably. Of course the CTS-V driver could use that extra inch for their back pocket. Fitting that $25k you save in your back pocket is a tight squeeze.Leloz said:
As for the entry level, I think CVP33 has proven you wrong.
If you want to get technical, we can compare the e36 M3 4 door to the e34 M5.... or a C55 vs. a E55...GNSCOTT said:
I did notice something else today, my few friends who own an M5 or E55 are not true enthusiasts and have never seen any track time with their cars . However, the few I know with an M3 or CTS-V do take their cars to various track events. I wonder if this will be a similar trend with STS-V buyers.
You're right on with this. I doubt highly that any STS-V's will see track time. The E55's are not track animals either so that makes sense. As for the M5, those owners are missing out not doing a track event from time to time.Leloz said:
I also noticed you have a Z06 coming. What dealer did you use? I'm waiting for GMS. $58,770 is much easier to swallow than $69K + $10K dealer market adjustments. :cookoo:
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It probably will be, even more so with the V series compared to the M or AMGs. Because enthusiasts, the type who are more likely to modify their car, are more apt to buy the CTS-V than the STS-V simply because there is and will be much more aftermarket support for the CTS-V.Leloz said:
All I'm saying is that the STS has more features and options than the CTS. Take my word for it or research it yourself, it's a fact. Hence, the STS commands a higher price than the CTS. Like it or not, CTS is still the entry level sedan. You CTS-V guys seem like you think your car is God and there's absolutely no reason for anyone to buy an STS-V, that's far from being the case.CVP33 said:
BTW, all those features you listed except for 5 (nav, xm, homelink, onstar, & headlight washers) are on my 10 year old ETC or my friends 14 year old Park Ave... you have more airbags too. The non speed related features/options that are only available on the V are few and far between. Seriously though, you're bothering to list "power steering and brakes" as a feature of any car these days?
If the CTS isn't the entry level Cadillac, what is? (And don't say BLS, because that's not out yet, and isn't even going to be available in the US.)
Isn't the 4 door M3 still a 4 seater? I do not know why people think the STS is that much bigger than the CTS. It isn't. An M5 is ALOT bigger than an M3. Put the CTSV and STSV together next to each other, and most will not be to tell that one is bigger than the other. i own a CTSV and I had trouble telling the difference when they were on the lot. Also, what is the weight difference between the CTSV, STSV, and the difference between the M3 and M5?Leloz said:
Now if you really want to know if you are paying too much start comparing the STS-V to the 300 SRT-8.
yeah i have a 2003 CTS luxury sport. my friends dad just bought a V and it doesnt have woodgrain. the steering wheel is full leather wrapped and where i have wood on my door handles his are chrome. i paid for the same things you did excpet i dont have as much horsepower. handling and braking are pretty good but not what you got.GNSCOTT said:
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