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Howdy Caddy folks!

I signed up here because I've been looking and asking around and nobody seems to know where to find the weather stripping I need!

I've got a 1988 Couple Deville that is in serious need of repainting, which I am planning to do myself. I've never painted a whole car, but I've used automotive paint on guitars that I've made, and on a fender repair job on this car earlier this year. I plan to remove all of the trim for the painting, which includes some trim around the rear window, fixed back seat windows, and the door windows, all of which has weather stripping holding it in, of course. (That said, it looks to me like I could get away with just removing the stripping, and mask off the trim, and the new stripping would cover the paint lines.)

This brings me to the question I hope you guys can help me out with. Once it's ripped off, I'll need to replace it! Even if I got away with not-removing it for painting, the rear window and door window stripping are pretty much toast and need to be replaced in any event.

I've searched online for general replacement parts, restoration sites, etc. Most don't have any listings at all for my car, and the ones that do, don't actually have anything but seals for the windshield, the whole door (but not the door window), and the trunk seal. I've contacted a local Cadillac dealership, but they haven't returned my call.

Is there a better way to go about this? Is there stripping in generic sizes that will do? If not, I'm not the only guy repainting old cars that need this stuff (or just people in need of new stripping in general), where can I go to get a hold of it?

Here's a few pics of the windows, and my obvious need for new paint :crying2: :

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Thanks!

-Matt
 

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Howdy Caddy folks!

I signed up here because I've been looking and asking around and nobody seems to know where to find the weather stripping I need!

I've got a 1988 Couple Deville that is in serious need of repainting, which I am planning to do myself. I've never painted a whole car, but I've used automotive paint on guitars that I've made, and on a fender repair job on this car earlier this year. I plan to remove all of the trim for the painting, which includes some trim around the rear window, fixed back seat windows, and the door windows, all of which has weather stripping holding it in, of course. (That said, it looks to me like I could get away with just removing the stripping, and mask off the trim, and the new stripping would cover the paint lines.)

This brings me to the question I hope you guys can help me out with. Once it's ripped off, I'll need to replace it! Even if I got away with not-removing it for painting, the rear window and door window stripping are pretty much toast and need to be replaced in any event.

I've searched online for general replacement parts, restoration sites, etc. Most don't have any listings at all for my car, and the ones that do, don't actually have anything but seals for the windshield, the whole door (but not the door window), and the trunk seal. I've contacted a local Cadillac dealership, but they haven't returned my call.

Is there a better way to go about this? Is there stripping in generic sizes that will do? If not, I'm not the only guy repainting old cars that need this stuff (or just people in need of new stripping in general), where can I go to get a hold of it?

Here's a few pics of the windows, and my obvious need for new paint :crying2: :

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Thanks!

-Matt
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I assume you are referring to the black plastic trim around the side view mirror that is torn away from the chrome -
that is actually all one piece chrome window trim - not weatherstripping -



go here for a blow-up and part numbers -
https://www.tonkinonlineparts.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=838885&ukey_make=1085&ukey_model=15742&modelYear=1988&ukey_category=22482&ukey_driveLine=11514
 

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I assume you are referring to the black plastic trim around the side view mirror that is torn away from the chrome -
that is actually all one piece chrome window trim - not weatherstripping -



go here for a blow-up and part numbers -
https://www.tonkinonlineparts.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=838885&ukey_make=1085&ukey_model=15742&modelYear=1988&ukey_category=22482&ukey_driveLine=11514
Hey, Bass. Thanks for digging that up for me. If I'm looking at that blow-up right, it'd be #4 or #5? Still seems off as that piece doesn't seem to go all the way around, and my chrome/black molding definitely does. I found another page on Tonkin that has some stuff listed that I need, but is NLA, of course :banghead:

https://www.tonkinonlineparts.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=828795&ukey_make=1085&ukey_model=15742&modelYear=1988&ukey_category=22636&ukey_driveLine=11514

In that blow-up I need #4 #5 for the rear window (NLA), and either #7 or #8 seem to be more in line with what I'm looking for for the front. And then I'd still need replacement seals for the fixed Quarter Windows, unless the chrome/black molding can be safely removed and reinstalled?

Thanks for your help

-Matt
 

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Hey, Bass. Thanks for digging that up for me. If I'm looking at that blow-up right, it'd be #4 or #5? Still seems off as that piece doesn't seem to go all the way around, and my chrome/black molding definitely does. I found another page on Tonkin that has some stuff listed that I need, but is NLA, of course :banghead:

https://www.tonkinonlineparts.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=828795&ukey_make=1085&ukey_model=15742&modelYear=1988&ukey_category=22636&ukey_driveLine=11514

In that blow-up I need #4 #5 for the rear window (NLA), and either #7 or #8 seem to be more in line with what I'm looking for for the front. And then I'd still need replacement seals for the fixed Quarter Windows, unless the chrome/black molding can be safely removed and reinstalled?

Thanks for your help

-Matt
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I bet you'll have to find good used parts rather than new -
the good thing is that MANY cars used the same parts -

if you click on the part number - then click on WHAT THIS FITS - then click on the SHOW MORE box -
it lists all the cars that use that part -

for example - the rear window trim #4 -

Cadillac Deville 2DR Base 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988
Cadillac Deville 4DR Base 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988
Cadillac Fleetwood 2DR Base 1987, 1988
Cadillac Fleetwood 2DR Brougham 1985, 1986
Cadillac Fleetwood 4DR 60 1987, 1988
Cadillac Fleetwood 4DR 60 SPECIAL 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988
Cadillac Fleetwood 4DR Brougham 1985
Cadillac Fleetwood 4DR D'ELEGANCE 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988
Cadillac Fleetwood 4DR Limousine 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988
Cadillac Funeral Coach Commercial 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988
Pontiac Grand Am 2DR Base 1985
Pontiac Grand Am 2DR LE 1985

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removing all this trim can be tricky -
I STRONGLY recommend getting the FSM - Factory Service Manual -
and I found a KILLER deal for you - $12 - including free shipping -
BEST $12 you'll EVER spend!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1988-Cadillac-DeVille-Fleetwood-Service-Information-Manual-/322510081455?hash=item4b17194daf:g:1x4AAOSwi7RZEQo8&vxp=mtr
 

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I bet you'll have to find good used parts rather than new -
the good thing is that MANY cars used the same parts -

if you click on the part number - then click on WHAT THIS FITS - then click on the SHOW MORE box -
it lists all the cars that use that part -

removing all this trim can be tricky -
I STRONGLY recommend getting the FSM - Factory Service Manual -
and I found a KILLER deal for you - $12 - including free shipping -
BEST $12 you'll EVER spend!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1988-Cadillac-DeVille-Fleetwood-Service-Information-Manual-/322510081455?hash=item4b17194daf:g:1x4AAOSwi7RZEQo8&vxp=mtr
Nice! I snagged up that FSM, thanks a ton! I have a Haynes Manual, but not-surprisingly, it doens't really cover trim.

So you're saying I'll basically just have to troll Ebay and local yards 'til something shows up, eh? It still seems like I should be able to buy generic auto WeatherStripping to replace this stuff with. I know you said it's technically not WS, but it seems like that's what it amounts to, it IS stretchable like a stiff rubber, not hard like plastic molding. :hmm:

-Matt
 

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Nice! I snagged up that FSM, thanks a ton! I have a Haynes Manual, but not-surprisingly, it doens't really cover trim.

So you're saying I'll basically just have to troll Ebay and local yards 'til something shows up, eh? It still seems like I should be able to buy generic auto WeatherStripping to replace this stuff with. I know you said it's technically not WS, but it seems like that's what it amounts to, it IS stretchable like a stiff rubber, not hard like plastic molding. :hmm:

-Matt
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I snagged up that FSM, thanks a ton!
happy to help -

I have a Haynes Manual
totally useless -

So you're saying I'll basically just have to troll Ebay and local yards 'til something shows up, eh?
that WILL be the cheapest way - you're dealing with a 29 year old car -
new parts will be extremely hard to find - and probably REALLY expensive -
and good used trim parts aren't plentiful either -

there are some specialty junk yards that will do a nation-wide search for specific parts -
but that comes with a price -

It still seems like I should be able to buy generic auto WeatherStripping to replace this stuff with.
you'll see why that won't work once you remove and inspect the first piece -
 

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It still seems like I should be able to buy generic auto WeatherStripping to replace this stuff with.
you'll see why that won't work once you remove and inspect the first piece -
Heh, I'm sure I will. I wasn't saying you're wrong, just that I'm obviously misunderstanding something. :bonkers:

Unfortunately this paint job can't wait, if that rust gets any worse, I might as well junk the car, which I have no intention of doing. So I have to figure something out quickly....

Thanks again for the pointers so far, hopefully with that FSM I'll be able to comfortably dismantle some of this stuff and see what can be saved and what HAS to be replaced.

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Matt:

As Basscatt points out, salvage parts will be your most cost effective way to replace the parts that you need. If you strike out there you might check the Steele Company. While they will probably not have exactly the parts you need they stock a wide variety of generic weatherstripping that may work in some of your applications. That chrome/black molding is a beast to remove without damaging it. Might be worth asking l local trim shop for some help.
 

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If you strike out there you might check the Steele Company. While they will probably not have exactly the parts you need they stock a wide variety of generic weatherstripping that may work in some of your applications. That chrome/black molding is a beast to remove without damaging it. Might be worth asking l local trim shop for some help.
Hey, gda, does this look like the right place?
http://www.steelerubber.com

A quick search specifically for my car reveals that indeed they don't have something EXACTLY for my model, but you're right; they do have a lot of general weatherstripping. That's exactly what I was hoping to find! Thanks!

It's worth keeping in mind that 90% of this is solely because the car needs repainting, and I don't want to just mask around this stuff. Most of these seals are fine (with two exceptions).

Here's some pics of the rust....:crying2:
https://imgur.com/L9gK4wT
https://imgur.com/1mgGxn6


For now, the plan is wait for the FSM to see if it has any specific instructions/tips/insight on removing that stuff, and attempt to get some pieces off and see what I'm in for, and if there's any way to sub in different stuff, or if most of it can even be reused. If I get into it and don't feel comfortable getting it off safely, I'll try to reach out to some shop for help, right now I don't know of any trim shops offhand, and the few body places I've been didn't seem outstanding...(put it this way, I ended up doing most of the body work myself!)

If anybody is curious, here's a few pics of before and after my fender damage/repair: I took it off, did some work on it, put it back on, took it into an acquaintance that does body work at his house, he did some finer work, and a few coats of body filler (to be clear, I'm happy with his work), I got it back, took it off again and did a bunch of fine touches and more body filler, did the painting/sanding/buffing, and put it back on. I have a paint booth, but I made it for painting guitars, not cars, so it's not exactly big enough - I had to paint the fender off-of-the-car :p.
https://imgur.com/3BviZ6Q
https://imgur.com/ISo5pO2
https://imgur.com/oRYeWRU
https://imgur.com/34bjyeT

Anyway, I should know more next week. Thanks again guys.

-Matt
 

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Here's an update for y'all.

Good news! I got the FSM in a little earlier than expected (Saturday instead of Monday). I opened it up and immediately read this:

https://imgur.com/XBFsF7E

"It includes complete information on service procedures and specifications specific to 1988 Cadillac FWD Deville cars except body service information which is covered in the Body Service Manual."
*sad trombone music*

After a quick look at the table of contents and flip through the chapters that might have had trim info, I couldn't find anything that deals with trim/windows/stripping directly. I was able to find a Body Service Manual, and if I'm lucky, it will be here on Wednesday.
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Due to money constraints, I'm not totally decided on color (leaning towards black), or brand or even how much of the car I can paint right now; but in the meantime I decided that I'll at least start by using the leftover primer/color/clear (which is metallic grey) that I have from when I repaired my fender to at least paint the roof, which as mentioned before, is rusting pretty bad.

To that end, I began stripping the roof over the last 2 days, and I've got pics for the curious:

Before: https://imgur.com/MwETCRD
Part way: https://imgur.com/seCAYl5
Here's the joint where they welded the roof to the rear QPs: https://imgur.com/bU9lnH1
Rear window trim removed: https://imgur.com/RDPlDO3
And here's the roof totally stripped: https://imgur.com/iCZHXuG

That rear window trim is held in by those plastic brackets on its underside, they go through the window and are bolted inside with rubber gaskets on each side of the window. It's one of these gaskets that I believe is the source of the leak I noticed a few weeks ago when doing some exploratory dismantling inside the car to figure out how that rear trim was attached to begin with. If I hadn't taken out the rear seat and rear deck, I wouldn't have ever known there was a leak because it was under all of that.

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What did you find out on this? I got the same issue. My rubber seal is pulling on my mirror like your photo and the back windshield one is toast.
 
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