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Hi all - under the car replacing the diff bushing, I checked the slop in the shifter - it appears to be almost entirely the bushings at the bottom of the shifter (as opposed to the "u-joint", internal cup, etc.

I've read lots of threads about these bushings, but don't recall seeing anything on the bushings at the bottom of the shifter.

What do people replace these with? Stock seems really soft, and has worn significantly on the outer diameter. They're pliable and intact, just sloppy. Halfway tempted to just wrap them in a few turns of 100mph aluminum tape...
 
Not sure which ones your talking about but the two that are on the arms can get changed out by some stiffer ones sold by Lindsey Cadillac. People here some of the time don't give reply to items that have been discussed more than a few times here. They or we lol say to search before asking. Either way hope i helped you out some.
 
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Finally had a little time to move forward on this. I didn't post a pic earlier of the "Home Depot" bushings, so nothing new here, but here is a pic of mine, installed...


I basically have the shifter reinstalled in the car at this point. What I needed to do to finish that was fabricate the vertical supports for the shifter base. I simply used two pieces of 3/8" mild steel rod and made them fit around the rubber coupler, and connect the base of the shifter to the upper trans mount bolts. They aren't all that easy to see, but can see them in these pictures....




I may need to take another pic tomorrow. I'm surprised how hard it is to see the struts in these pics. :(

These vertical support struts accomplish a few things, IMO
1. Eliminate bushings -bushings that can fail, compress, and allow movement
2. Eliminate the connection of the shifter (a part that moves w/the engine/trans) and the floor pan.
3. Hopefully eliminate some NVH (not that there was much before), by not having any connection w/the floor pan
4. Massivly stiffen the shifter base, relative to the trans, which is what the shifter needs to be stiff with. The shifter assy is now 100%, part of the trans assy, as it should be.

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So how is it? I haven't driven the car yet, but just shifting it in the garage, the shifter feels "10 times better" than it ever did before. It feels precise, "mechanical", solid...It feels pretty damn good, and way, WAY better than it was, that is for sure. Finding reverse is like a revelation, compared to the foggy quagmire it was before; over to the right "click" and forward, "click" and you're in reverse. Nice.

There is still some lateral play when IN, any given gear. About 1/4" at the shift knob. This slop can be traced to the trans; it's inside the trans, or at least beyond the "U-joint". Also, once you reach the end of that play, if you force the lever further, there is "give" due to the flex of the metal structure that is the shifter base; the shift rod itself, the two rods that run forward to the trans...none of that is especially rigid. I expected this and the relatively small amount of play + the flex is precisely why you need to gate the actual shift lever in this car, in order to get a rock solid feel. (OR, go directly to the internal shift rail as I suggested earlier, but am not doing). That gated shifter is next on the list and of course, I will post pictures, etc.

I am happy with the improvements thus far, and am about where I expected that I would be at this point. The car would be a fantastic improvement to drive already, and more than "good enough" for most (including my wife who is the primary driver), but again, I'm going for the "brick shit house" feel that is found in a good shifter going directly into a T5 or T56 trans. Will keep updating.
 
Not sure which ones your talking about but the two that are on the arms can get changed out by some stiffer ones sold by Lindsey Cadillac. People here some of the time don't give reply to items that have been discussed more than a few times here. They or we lol say to search before asking. Either way hope i helped you out some.
or creative steel has them if you prefer online ordering
 
I sell the ones in the base of the shifter that fit tighter and last longer than the stock nylon ones. UUC or Creative Steel make the polyurethane shifter bushings. They've been discussed exactly 1,739,274,322 times.
 
Those support struts seem like an excellent idea. From my experience with the shifter, they are exactly what it needs. Bushings and everything go a long way to shoring up the linkage, but those supports actually address an inherent flaw in the design of the shifter. Hopefully it works well. I will likely do something similar now that I've seen this.
 
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^That is correct. Those are indeed my add-on struts. :)

Those support struts seem like an excellent idea. From my experience with the shifter, they are exactly what it needs. Bushings and everything go a long way to shoring up the linkage, but those supports actually address an inherent flaw in the design of the shifter. Hopefully it works well. I will likely do something similar now that I've seen this.
THose were my thoughts exactly, when I started tearing into the shifter! 1/2 of it is supported by the trans (like it should be) the other 1/2, byt the floor pan. THey make it work by suspending it all in Jell-o. :D
 
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I took a few more pics. Re-takes on the struts, b'c the pics above are not very good, and then some pics of the progress...











I welded a pin to the bottom of the shift shaft. This will function as a guide pin for the shift gate. I'm not proud of the weld. :/




Here, I am beginning to build the supports for the shift gate.




And here I have added lateral rods that the piece of plate will be mounted to, with the gate/shift pattern cut into it.

 
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What part is the "shifter plate"? If you are talking about the shifter base (where the shift elver pivots) it does move. Absolutely. Maybe you're talking about a different part?

I feel that the braces will help in three ways;
1. Noise. By not bolting the shifter base to what is basically the floor pan, and allowing the shifter to be part of the transmission (which it wholly should be), then less drivetrain noise should be transmitted into the floor/car.
2. Relative movement; if the shifter base is attached to the floor AND the trans....and the trans moves around (which it does)
3. Bushings taking a dump. What can I say? The stock bushings blow, and allow tons of movement etc. People post here that they replace 'em and claim it makes an improvement. BUT, no bushing last forever, even the aftermarket ones. So...get rid of them.

I'm not going to say that the strut rods are going to be the "end all" improvement....by themselves, I feel they will do only a little (probably about the same as the bushings that support the shifter vertically, stock), but this system won't wear out. What I do feel is important is that the struts were necessary (in conjunction with the rest of my changes) to achieve my goal; feel like a Pro 5.0 in an F-body.
 
That's the point though. The plate doesn't move in relation to the tunnel, but it does move in relation to the transmission. Since the stock design attached the plate to the body and the other end of the linkage to the transmission, there had to be inherent play in the entire system so something wouldn't break later in the vehicle's lifespan from the driveline flexing under load. The supports allow the shifter to float freely relative to the body, and instead be mounted to the transmission. This is more in keeping with a traditional shifter and allows the linkage to be made much stronger and stiffer without sacrificing durability. The main change that will happen (other than better shifting) is that, from the perspective of the driver, the shifter will move more when the driveline is under load.
 
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