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Of course you can compare them. Both share the same principles and purposes.
they're two completely different models of subs, with completely different designs... and meant for different purposes. so you really can't compare them by saying that an 8" of one model has ALMOST as much power handling as the 15" of another model...

However, it is not because of size itself, it is because of the frecuencies they are intended for.
the reason a bigger subwoofer usually has higher power-handling than a smaller sub is not because of the frequency it's designed for... it's because the larger the sub, the more power it requires to move. however (as you mentioned), it IS designed to hit lower frequencies (the larger subs i mean) but lower frequencies aren't what makes it require more power. moving the sub requires more power ,since it's big ;) :)
 

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they're two completely different models of subs, with completely different designs... and meant for different purposes. so you really can't compare them by saying that an 8" of one model has ALMOST as much power handling as the 15" of another model...
That is the same as saying 2 subs from 2 different brands made with different technology and design can't be compared. In this case, other than the number of voice coils and increased power handling, there are not drastical differences between the W0 and the W3 series.

They share the same purpose: bass reproduction. They have different applications, based on the frecuencies they were designed for.

The only reason to mention them was to point that a small and a huge sub can handle the same amount of power, and nothing else. ;)


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the reason a bigger subwoofer usually has higher power-handling than a smaller sub is not because of the frequency it's designed for... it's because the larger the sub, the more power it requires to move. however (as you mentioned), it IS designed to hit lower frequencies (the larger subs i mean) but lower frequencies aren't what makes it require more power. moving the sub requires more power ,since it's big ;) :)
Let me put it this way: There are 15s rated at 125W RMS, there are 8s rated at 125W RMS. That means that both diameters require 125W RMS to fully accomplish their purpose. However, an 8" will not be able to reproduce the same frecuencies the 15" does.
Lower frecuencies move greater volumes of air. That is what requires the power, not the size for itself. Size makes possible to move those amounts of air in a better way.
If size was the determinant factor for power handing, there would be no point in making an 8" rated at 50 RMS and another rated at 125, or a 15 rated at 150 and another rated at 1000.
More RMS will only make a sub to reproduce the same frecuencies louder than another of the same size with less power handling, assuming they are similar in all other aspects.
 

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D148L0 said:
That is the same as saying 2 subs from 2 different brands made with different technology and design can't be compared. In this case, other than the number of voice coils and increased power handling, there are not drastical differences between the W0 and the W3 series.

They share the same purpose: bass reproduction. They have different applications, based on the frecuencies they were designed for.

The only reason to mention them was to point that a small and a huge sub can handle the same amount of power, and nothing else. ;)
but i thought what you were saying originally was that JL Audio has a model (of sub) where the 8" has the same power handling as the 12" :)

and yes, a small sub and a large sub can handle the same amount of power, but never the small sub and the large sub of the same line, for instance the W3... sure there exist 8s and 15s of different models with the same RMS, but never, EVER of the same line...

Let me put it this way: There are 15s rated at 125W RMS, there are 8s rated at 125W RMS. That means that both diameters require 125W RMS to fully accomplish their purpose.
but you will never find the same MODEL subwoofer (with the same technology, etc.) with the 8" and the 15" with the same power handling... or at least i have never seen one... sure with different models the power handling changes, but as a whole, if you take the 8" and the 15" of the line of subs, be it the L7, W0, W3V2, whatever model it is, the 8" will always handle less power than the 15"... what are we arguing about? we both agree on the same thing :p


However, an 8" will not be able to reproduce the same frecuencies the 15" does.
right. that's been established...


Lower frecuencies move greater volumes of air. That is what requires the power, not the size for itself. Size makes possible to move those amounts of air in a better way.
it's all the same thing!
Large Sub = Lower Frequencies = Larger Cone = More Power to move the cone.
you see? they're all connected. but the reason a large sub requires more power is because it's got a large cone. just like a large lightbulb requires more power than a small lightbulb, and a large car requires a larger engine to move than a small car. we agree on this, we're just mentioning different aspects


If size was the determinant factor for power handing, there would be no point in making an 8" rated at 50 RMS and another rated at 125, or a 15 rated at 150 and another rated at 1000.
but they're different models... you can't expect the same from the W0 range as you would from RE's XXX range... they're using different technology, etc. so OBVIOUSLY not every 8" sub in the world's going to have the exact same power handling

More RMS will only make a sub to reproduce the same frecuencies louder than another of the same size with less power handling, assuming they are similar in all other aspects.
what are we arguing about? :D :)
 

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Hello ALL,
I am in the process of replacing my entire system in my Cadillac, including changing out the old 4 guage wire and adding O guage for power wire, new head unit, class D amps and 2 ohm DVC subs along with some new processors. I also be replacing the old Sealed enclosure with a new one that will also be Sealed.
We have just purchased a 93' Lincoln Town car that we will be building two separate Ported enclosures to hold two 15" Subwoofers, the goal for this car will be SPL but it's such a large car im not sure how loud it will be, I guess time will tell.
Anyone doing anything different to your cars/systems/enclosures?
Let me know.

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I HAVE HAD BOTH PORTED AND SEALED IN MY 97 DEVILLE AND IN MY 99 DE'ELEGANCE. I USED THE SAME AMP FOR BOTH AND WHILE THE PORTED HAD MORE LOW END BOOM, THE SEALED HAD A BETTER SOUND. THERE IS ONE PROBLEM WITH PORTED AND BANDPASS. WHEN THE SPEAKER GETS INTO DISTRESS (ITS ABOUT TO DIE) YOU CANNOT HEAR IT UNTILL ITS TOO LATE. THE CHOICE DEPENDS ON MANY FACTORS. ME I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU CAN BUILD A SMALL SEALED BOX DONE TO SPECS AND USE A SUB THAT IS COMPATIBLE AND KEEP MOST OF YOUR TRUNK. I LIKE TO BOOM BUT THE WIFE LIKE TO TRAVEL AND SHOP!!! TRY GOING TO A AUDIO SHOP THAT WILL LET YOU TRY BOTH TYPES IN YOUR TRUNK. GOOD LUCK :drinker :drinker
 

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soundadvantage... i sold my screen and recently bought 3 12" JL W0s in a big sealed box. they are all in the same space, but i'm going to build a box where they have thier own enclosures. I'm powering them with the JL 250.1 monoblock. it's nice, but i wish i could have gotten the 500.1. it was way too expensive tho. all this on the same old knuconcepts 4ga kit. it's okay, but not as loud as some stuff i've had. i need more amp. anyhow, that's what's new with my ride. sounds like you've got enough to keep you busy thru the winter. let me know how that lincoln goes... i'm curious to see how you read at the polls.. it's such a big car and all.
 

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soundadvantage... i sold my screen and recently bought 3 12" JL W0s in a big sealed box. they are all in the same space, but i'm going to build a box where they have thier own enclosures. I'm powering them with the JL 250.1 monoblock. it's nice, but i wish i could have gotten the 500.1. it was way too expensive tho. all this on the same old knuconcepts 4ga kit. it's okay, but not as loud as some stuff i've had. i need more amp. anyhow, that's what's new with my ride. sounds like you've got enough to keep you busy thru the winter. let me know how that lincoln goes... i'm curious to see how you read at the polls.. it's such a big car and all.
Hey Lac... Trying to drive all three subs sharing the same air space isn't the hot set up, but once you build a new enclosure so that each sub has it's own air space then your system should sound alot better.
You could find a deal on another 250.1 and run two amps, what are the WOs RMS rating? Are they single 4 ohm coils?

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Nice thread here. Just got myself the Audiobahn ABP103T.. triple 10" sub bandpass box, yes i'm sure there's better but I got a good deal and its good enough for now. Its rated at 800 RMS and wired at 4 Ohm mono, the question is.. how big of an amp do I need? I dont want to anything that will overkill these speakers because who knows if that 800 is already an inflated number and I dont want anything to blow on me. Any suggestions appreciated!
 

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What I have heard is that audiobahn is pretty fair when rating their subs, and they can take serious power. However, you will get practically the same volume with an amp a little less powerful than 800. Just make sure to use RMS values when matching.
 

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No problem. 600 Watts RMS sounds OK. Look for the RMS @ 4 ohms, since the difference between a 2 and a 4 ohm output varies greatly from amp to amp.
How much do you want to spend?
Take a look at this:

750 RMS @ 4 ohms. I personally recommend MTX as a great bang for the buck. MTX amps truly perform as good as others twice their price.
http://www.cardomain.com/item/MTX1501D

Or this one, 600 RMS @ 4 ohms. Autotek also works very well:
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=13926

Also look for the voltage rating. If they say an amp delivers 100 W @ 14.4 V, then it's output in real world applications (lower voltage) will be lower, too.

Do some research, and we''ll comment on your choices.

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What is "dynamatting my trunk"?
Dynamat ( http://www.dynamat.com/ ) is a brand of products made to improve the acoustic conditions in car enviroment, mostly by reducing resonance and vibration. They have different products for different applications.
When applying that kind of stuff to your car, even if it's from another brand, most people say they are "dynamating" it.
 
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