[SilverV]

Alright with all the mixed opinions I have recieved on the TSB vs. BMR kit, I decided to do my own testing. If anyone is thinking about doing one of these and you can wait a few days, let me know and I will post my results. I can also take detailed pics of the installs if you would like to see those as well. My V suspension is stock w/stock tires so this should be a fair test. I will also be testing both ways with eibach springs.

I am getting the TSB done tomorrow and will test it out over the weekend for both wheel hop and ride qaulity. I ordered a BMR kit and it should be here next week, as soon as it comes in I will remove the TSB bushings and try out the BMR kit. I will let everyone know what seems to work best! hopefully one of these will eliminate the wheel hop or at least drastically improve it.

stay tuned.....

 

[CTSV05]

Nothing will eliminate it, in every situation anyway.

I now have my kit and the TSBs and its very close, but I need to do a proper launch to be sure.

 

[SilverV]

Alright, got the TSB done this morning at Sewell Caddy in Grapvine, They did while I waited and it only took about an hour. They slapped the new bushings in a re-aligned the rear.

First Impression is that they actually work better than I expected, on the 1/2 shift leaving the dealership I noticed only very slight wheel hop, where as before it would shake your fillings out. I did notice that once the tires spin for good distance and heat up the wheel hop increases to near what it was before. For the most part this is a huge improvement for such a quick and simple thing to do. The ride qaulity is about the same, but I do notice the rear of the car is a little stiffer.

More to come once I get a chance to drive it some more....

 

[JOEYCTS-V]

Willctsv has no wheel hop whatsoever. I witness him doing numerous clutch drops and all his car did was smoke the tires. He has the BMR kit with GS3's. I think the tires have a lot to do with it.

 

[tweeter81]

I also got the bushings installed at my dealer (Medved Cadillac in Wheatridge, CO--they are awesome) last week and I did a couple of (attempted) burnouts to see how well they mitigated the problem. First try, RPM 3500, dumped clutch, about 3-4 hops and took off. Second try, RPM 4200, dumped clutch, same thing. So, the wheels were still hopping, but just not as vigorously. Overall, I believe that the wheel hop is lessened by about 50-60% from stock and with some GS-D3s the hop should be lessened by another 60-70%.

 

[sharky1]

I have the same results after the tsb...no hop for the first 35 ft, then hop...stock tires..has anyone tried higher tire pressures?

 

[SilverV]

Update:


Well the BMR kit came in today, I tried to install and I just can't get the damn bar to clear the exhaust pipes. I have the corsa cat back, and it is tucked up as far as it can go with out touching the drive shaft and the Bar still needs it to go up about another half inch. Looks like I am going to just stick with the TSB bushings and send this Anti-Wheel hop kit back

anyone else have this problem?

 

[willsctsv]

No way Silverv. The bar should fit no problem. I had mine on with the B&B and thats a 3 inch exhaust. You should of had 2 aluminum spacers and a lock nut to put on the bar. I actually took mine off. Long story. But, I still have no hop. The metal bushings from B&R will work by themselves if torqued down to what they say. I think like 180ft lbs for the front and 145 for the rear. The tires put the icing on the cake. the car is alot more fun to drive. I launch the car aggressively whenever I get a chance. Just to get a little chirp and hear that LS6 Roar!
Enjoy!

 

[SilverV]

well, I have the TSB bushings in, not the alum. ones that come with the BMR kit, but they are approx. the same size, maybe a 1/16th thinner if that, but it still spaces the cradle down. The bar itself did not have any spaces or a lock nut, the instructions dont even mention that, it says to re-use the factory nuts. Anyway, no way this thing is fitting over the exhaust w/o some other solution, it also touches and rub the gas tanks when tighened down all the way.

:hmm:

 

[lasstss]

well, I have the TSB bushings in, not the alum. ones that come with the BMR kit, but they are approx. the same size, maybe a 1/16th thinner if that, but it still spaces the cradle down. The bar itself did not have any spaces or a lock nut, the instructions dont even mention that, it says to re-use the factory nuts. Anyway, no way this thing is fitting over the exhaust w/o some other solution, it also touches and rub the gas tanks when tighened down all the way.

:hmm:

The aluminum spacers were an add on from BMR for those with the B&B. I welded extensions on my bar. Its still on.

 

[willsctsv]

SilverV, Call Bmr and get them to send the spacers and lock nuts. Problem solved, the Bar can't hurt only help. As I said before, Mine is fine w/o the bar, but the GSD3's did put the icing on the cake.

 

[DansCTSV]

Didn't the spacers come from B&B? They are just 1/2" aluminum spacers. You could go to the hardware store and pick up something that will work easily enough.

 

[arr0gant]

Got the TSB done. Shop was in St. Louis (www.plazamotors.com), these guys were GREAT!!

They still hop but it's not as bad as far as I can tell up to this point. It doesn't have any negative affects at all. Seems to hop less and easier to controll the hopping.

What I would really like is for people to post their solutions:
(a) Affect it may have on the warranty, (b) hardware used and price that it cost, (c) tires used (pressure) (d) if you find a way to completely eliminate hopping (or how close you are) and (e) any other details you have.

 

[BeagleBrains]

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[Gordy Petrovski]

I can not believe WE are still doing the job of Cadillac engineers, which leads me to wonder how many of these so called prow's drive these cars? Dont get me wrong I still LOVE the V but it would be nice to put this thing to rest.

 

[ace996]

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[BeagleBrains]

I can not believe WE are still doing the job of Cadillac engineers, which leads me to wonder how many of these so called prow's drive these cars? Dont get me wrong I still LOVE the V but it would be nice to put this thing to rest.

I believe! I work in a power plant that employs a couple of hundred of engineers. I have actually spoken to some who can't find much of the system components to which they are assigned responsibility.