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Okay, I thought I had this figured out, but after purchasing both paint chip samples and interior fabric/leather samples off the net for the '93 Fleetwood, I'm left utterly confused about my car's interior color.

For years, I've seen the dark, almost purple-like burgundy in several '93-'96 cars, but that definately is not the color mine is. My car is Cotillion White outside, but has a definately RED leather Brougham interior. It seems to be a shade that was used often in the '92 and older Brougham models, but I've only seen two of the newer cars with the same color: mine and another on Ebay, which also had the exact same exterior color and options list. My father's '92 Roadmaster has the same red shade inside, but I know for sure it was actually available on the Buicks at that time--just not the Caddy's.

So, to any of you "experts" on things like this, how the heck could my car have a Red interior? I already thought it was weird that it was one of the last '93s to roll off the line (06/93) AND that it has a perfectly fitting gold plaque with a wreath and crest and the original owner's name engraved like this: "Built Especially For: (and then the name)".

His son that we bought it off of said it was a special ordered car from Ed Morse Cadillac in Florida, but how could he have "special ordered" Red when it wasn't technically available?

This is a pic of my car (and it clearly is NOT the dark "Garnet" color on the chart:
 

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I know it was offered (and quite commonly--take a look on Ebay) at the '92 and older "antique" ;) models of the Fleetwood/Brougham, but just doesn't seem to have existed as an actual available color for '93 and newer, which baffles me.

Even if it were on a '92 and before model, this is a very different car, and it isn't like any of the interior could have been shared.

Here's the chart. Even though the Garnet looks a little brighter after I scanned it, it's still the dark purplish color I have seen in these cars--but it isn't mine.
 

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Re-done? But it was ORDERED this way from the factory--like I said, I've seen a total of 3 like this. Would they "custom paint/dye" everything at the factory for a car that was ordered like this? I would think the original owner's son, who we bought the car from, would have known if it was custom.

It's just really weird, that's all. It's still in amazing shape, better than a lot of newer ones I've seen, especially the carpet and dash.
 

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could be a dealer installed thing. my 93 came with a gold package and the 93-96s didnt have a gold package according to the dealer. my hood ornament was stolen a while back and i went to get another one and they told me that.
 

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could it be that by 6/93 they had no more of the garnet or dark cherry leather dye left so they just used some of the buick roadmaster red dye to "replace" the normal color, its interesting to note that my roadmaster had the red leather but it was darker than your leather ( i think it was called dark cherry leather or something)
 

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I~LUV~Caddys8792 said:
could it be that by 6/93 they had no more of the garnet or dark cherry leather dye left so they just used some of the buick roadmaster red dye to "replace" the normal color, its interesting to note that my roadmaster had the red leather but it was darker than your leather ( i think it was called dark cherry leather or something)
Not sure, but our '92 Roadmaster has the same red interior shade--but it was available for sure on the Buick.

I really don't think it would be a "dye" issue since EVERYTHING, seats, carpet, door panels, dash, seat belts, etc. are all matching red, and I'm 100% sure the leather is exactly the same as every other FW of the time, just a different color.

I keep thinking maybe there was a way back in '93 really to "special order" something from the factory that may have been very limited and not shown in the books, but "available if you ask and pay for it" kind of thing. I can't think it would be, since this is no Maybach or Rolls, but it is a possibility.
 

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there is only one person on the boards that can give you a real definitive answer. he can tell you real quick if it is factory or dealer installed or aftermarket. go and ask :worship: Sandy.
 

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Thanks for the compliment!
...and the answer is...

A little background to enrich your understanding of things on the corporate level(s). You've heard of "POLITICS" ... Yes?

Sometimes in the mass manufactuer of mass produced automobiles, an error is made. Joe Blow's golf shoe outlet of 500 stores orders 10 Cadillacs. Okay? Factory screws up, person enters incorrect data, and 100 get built. 90 Cadillacs with no where to be shipped. Nobody ordered them! So, the people who address these situations begin calling around to bigg(er) dealers to try & place these "foster children" ~ So, Ed Morse helps them out, and takes 18 units. He is now a "Favoured Child" status.
Another scenero.... Guy is out of warrantee, but has trouble with his Caddy and calls Cadillac. They send to to Dealer "A". Dealer "A" raises a furer, saying the creep is outta warrantee and he knows knows it and blah blah blah we ain't fixing it for free! But Cadillac finds out that this guy happens to be the brother of the State Attorney General of Michigan...Oops! So, Cadillac tells the dealer fix the car & we'll cover it.

In other words.....FAVORS performed FOR Cadillac BY Dealers, above & beyond the call of duty = P O L I T I C S {Dig}...

So, every once in a while, maybe every year, maybe not, maybe every year for 3 years in a row, and then not for 3 years after that, Cadillac does a
"Select 60" WTF is that, right? The Select 60 are the 60 Cadillac Dealers that "Went beyond what is expected" ~ Translation: Helped Cadillac Division out of a little .... ahhhh, Uncomfortible situation.....

So, how do they repay these dealers? Easy. They make up 60 cars that don't exist anywhere in the world. Each of the Select 60 dealers get one car. (Oh, yes, they do have to pay for it as if normal). But the thing here is that Cadillac knows that somebody is gonna fall in love with it....and CANNOT "shop" it, because simply there are only 59 others in America. So, on THAT car, the dealer holds for WINDOW STICKER price. Read: NO DISCOUNT. This "gift" therefore has allowed the dealer to make a profit of around $10,000 on the sale of one car! Cadillac of course knows this. It stands to reason that the others were equiped the same way, they are order identically with a quantity inserted of "60" ~ all the rest is the same. Cadillac fills out but one order and enters 60 for quantity. I checked further. They built 30 in Cotillion White & 30 in Sable Black.
There was a brilliant Gold Eldorado Select-60 around the final year of the little Eldo, I think 1991 it was. That Gold came from a Corvette color chart.
All 60 cars were Broughams. No Fleetwood was made as a 60 Select.
If you post your car's TRIM code, I may be able to tell you a little bit more. Look on door jamb for the word "TRIM" and see if there's a 2 or 3 digit number there. If not peel up trunk carpeting & look on spare tire cover for the Service Label. Trim codes are in the lower right corner. Post.
I have never heard of a Select 60 Pontiac or Chevrolet. Only Oldsmobile, Buick or Cadillac. Chevy & Pont might have a diffferent "key" word other than SELECT. The owner's name & plaque on dash have nothing to do with it all. The dealer made that for him !
 

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Sandy said:
Thanks for the compliment!
...and the answer is...

A little background to enrich your understanding of things on the corporate level(s). You've heard of "POLITICS" ... Yes?

Sometimes in the mass manufactuer of mass produced automobiles, an error is made. Joe Blow's golf shoe outlet of 500 stores orders 10 Cadillacs. Okay? Factory screws up, person enters incorrect data, and 100 get built. 90 Cadillacs with no where to be shipped. Nobody ordered them! So, the people who address these situations begin calling around to bigg(er) dealers to try & place these "foster children" ~ So, Ed Morse helps them out, and takes 18 units. He is now a "Favoured Child" status.
Another scenero.... Guy is out of warrantee, but has trouble with his Caddy and calls Cadillac. They send to to Dealer "A". Dealer "A" raises a furer, saying the creep is outta warrantee and he knows knows it and blah blah blah we ain't fixing it for free! But Cadillac finds out that this guy happens to be the brother of the State Attorney General of Michigan...Oops! So, Cadillac tells the dealer fix the car & we'll cover it.

In other words.....FAVORS performed FOR Cadillac BY Dealers, above & beyond the call of duty = P O L I T I C S {Dig}...

So, every once in a while, maybe every year, maybe not, maybe every year for 3 years in a row, and then not for 3 years after that, Cadillac does a
"Select 60" WTF is that, right? The Select 60 are the 60 Cadillac Dealers that "Went beyond what is expected" ~ Translation: Helped Cadillac Division out of a little .... ahhhh, Uncomfortible situation.....

So, how do they repay these dealers? Easy. They make up 60 cars that don't exist anywhere in the world. Each of the Select 60 dealers get one car. (Oh, yes, they do have to pay for it as if normal). But the thing here is that Cadillac knows that somebody is gonna fall in love with it....and CANNOT "shop" it, because simply there are only 59 others in America. So, on THAT car, the dealer holds for WINDOW STICKER price. Read: NO DISCOUNT. This "gift" therefore has allowed the dealer to make a profit of around $10,000 on the sale of one car! Cadillac of course knows this. It stands to reason that the others were equiped the same way, they are order identically with a quantity inserted of "60" ~ all the rest is the same. Cadillac fills out but one order and enters 60 for quantity. I checked further. They built 30 in Cotillion White & 30 in Sable Black.
There was a brilliant Gold Eldorado Select-60 around the final year of the big Eldo, I think 1991 it was. That Gold came from a Corvette color chart.
All 60 cars were Broughams. No Fleetwood was made as a 60 Select.
If you post your car's TRIM code, I may be able to tell you a little bit more. Look on door jamb for the word "TRIM" and see if there's a 2 or 3 digit number there. If not peel up trunk carpeting & look on spare tire cover for the Service Label. Trim codes are in the lower right corner. Post.
I have never heard of a Select 60 Pontiac or Chevrolet. Only Oldsmobile, Buick or Cadillac. Chevy & Pont might have a diffferent "key" word other than SELECT. The owner's name & plaque on dash have nothing to do with it all. The dealer made that for him !
told ya :worship: . this man knows it.
 

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Okay, very interesting! I got what you said, except for one part:

"They built 30 in Cotillion White & 30 in Sable Black......No Fleetwood was made as a 60 Select."

So my Fleetwood Brougham is one of these "Special" cars or it isn't? I'm back at college now, but I'll have my brother check into getting the trim code tomorrow and post back here again.
 

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caddycruiser said:
Okay, very interesting! I got most of what you said, except for one part:

"They built 30 in Cotillion White & 30 in Sable Black......No Fleetwood was made as a 60 Select."

So my Fleetwood Brougham is one of these "Special" cars or it isn't? I'm back at college now, but I'll have my brother check into getting the trim code tomorrow and post back here again.
Or did you mean all the Special 60 Fleetwood's were "Brougham" models? Guess I'm just confused because ALL the '93-'96 cars are "Fleetwoods" and "Brougham" is simply an option package, not a separate model.
 

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Another question for Sandy :

Did Cadillac have something similar to Chevrolet's COPO (Central Office Production Order)?
 

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QUOTE=caddycruiser]Okay, very interesting! I got what you said, except for one part:

"They built 30 in Cotillion White & 30 in Sable Black......No Fleetwood was made as a 60 Select."

So my Fleetwood Brougham is one of these "Special" cars or it isn't? I'm back at college now, but I'll have my brother check into getting the trim code tomorrow and post back here again.[/QUOTE]

I believe so !!
 

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caddycruiser said:
Or did you mean all the Special 60 Fleetwood's were "Brougham" models? Guess I'm just confused because ALL the '93-'96 cars are "Fleetwoods" and "Brougham" is simply an option package, not a separate model.
I mean ALL 60 were equipped WITH the Brougham package and of the 60, 30 were white & 30 were black.
 

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Another question for Sandy :

Did Cadillac have something similar to Chevrolet's COPO (Central Office Production Order)?
YES !!
 

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Thanks!! That's what I thought, but wasn't 100% sure.

Looks like we have a very special car on our hands. :) :) :) :)

I was always sure we were going to keep it for eternity, and this only further seals the deal. :coolgleam

A black one must be gorgeous with the red...would love to see one! I'm now on a mission to find at least one of the other 59 "Special" people out there.
 
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