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We currently have twins with another on the way, and our GX460 simply isn’t big enough. We’re trying to decide between a fully loaded Denali XL and a Premium Escalade ESV.
(Yes, I've read every single thread on here regarding "Denali vs Escalade :)

Denali XL
Pros:
Less “flashy” than the Escalade
I can get it at $69k


ESV
Cons:
equivalent will cost $81,600 (supplier discount). Approx. $12,500 more
Have to get the Premium trim to get everything the Denali has
3 kids could potentially destroy the interior?? Spit-up, milk, French fries
My toys live in the garage, so this beast will be outside it's entire life. Yes, this is a con...

Pros:
Automatic front/rear braking
360 cameras
More warranty/maintenance


Honestly, the Denali seems like the better fit for us; however, the automatic braking isn’t available on it. This feature alone is what has me on the fence. With pregnancy brain and screaming kids, I want my wife to have all the help she can get.

This one feature may finalize the decision for me...

Can one drive towards a car, for example in a parking lot, and the automatic braking will fully stop the car?

Here's the dealer's response:
"No auto braking will stop 100%. Ours will give you 30% braking and will let you know beforehand. She will definitely know when auto braking is being applied so she can react with it."

I can't find any other explanations anywhere.
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The Denali dealer is saying the front and rear braking is not 100% to make a sale or is it with the ESV too? I have tried both: the rear braking was after backing up too fast from my garage and it looked like somebody slammed in the brakes. The front braking was intentional as I kept the ACC running at full speed of 75mph and since it was a turn it sensed the vehicle infront at the last minute and it pretensioned the seat belts and actually braked my escalade but since I was getting too closed I assisted the braking as well. So, it works. I think it should be standard, but owners will be complaining of surging or braking unnecessarily.
 

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My Denali with the adaptive cruise auto brakes in forward at speeds down to about 20MPH. It works very nice and is a great safety feature. The Cadillac will stop forward and reverse at speeds down to 0MPH.
 

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The Denali only has Adaptive Cruise Control.
The Premium ESV has ACC and Automatic front/rear breaking.

The statement above is from the Cadillac dealer, saying that it only applies 30% brake.
I don't believe the Denali does any kind of braking unless you are in ACC mode.


Will one of you start driving towards a wall and see if the car stops itself?? :)
 

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Correct, Adaptive Cruise Control with auto braking. It will come to a complete stop at an offramp but yes, the cruise has to be on and set. If you press the gas pedal while active, you get a warning auto braking is disabled. Hit the brakes while active, your auto braking is disabled. It must be active.
 

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I understand ACC. Both vehicles have it.
My question is regarding the automatic braking.

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Does the Escalade Stop while in traffic/parking lot/idling towards a stopped object (regardless of ACC).
 

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rad-man said:
I understand ACC. Both vehicles have it. My question is regarding the automatic braking. <img src="http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=291265"/> Does the Escalade Stop while in traffic/parking lot/idling towards a stopped object (regardless of ACC).
Yes it will stop in a stopped object
 

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doesn't that contradict what the Cadillac dealer said?

"No auto braking will stop 100%. Ours will give you 30% braking and will let you know beforehand. She will definitely know when auto braking is being applied so she can react with it."
 

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We bought the Escalade with the assumption that the car would auto brake in an emergency BUT unfortunately this only seems to happen if you are using the adaptive cruise control which we rarely do. Essentially our escalade is not "looking out" after us UNLESS the ACC is set to on.... I also had hoped the cooler would work well for the baby bottles but not a chance, the cooler is useless. I have 1650 miles and no issues mechanically with the vehicle.
 

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We bought the Escalade with the assumption that the car would auto brake in an emergency BUT unfortunately this only seems to happen if you are using the adaptive cruise control which we rarely do. Essentially our escalade is not "looking out" after us UNLESS the ACC is set to on.... I also had hoped the cooler would work well for the baby bottles but not a change, the cooler is useless. I have 1650 miles and no issues mechanically with the vehicle.
what the heck??
if you have ACC, then you must have the Premium trim. If you have the Premium trim, you must have the "Automatic braking" which others have said will make the car stop.

edit: if you have the cooler, you must have the platinum.
 

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ONLY IF the ACC is utilized and we never use it when out and about doing our everyday things. For day to day activities do not count on the braking to help you in the event you might not notice a slowing car in front of you... We have the Platinum

what the heck??
if you have ACC, then you must have the Premium trim. If you have the Premium trim, you must have the "Automatic braking" which others have said will make the car stop.

edit: if you have the cooler, you must have the platinum.
 

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ONLY IF the ACC is utilized and we never use it when out and about doing our everyday things. For day to day activities do not count on the braking to help you in the event you might not notice a slowing car in front of you... We have the Platinum
something still doesn't add up.
You can't ACC in reverse, so how is there "Rear Automatic Braking"
 

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Rear Automatic Braking is a different system utilizing different sensors. I am simply saying to not expect the escalade to help stop you in traffic in the event someone slams on their brakes in front of you UNLESS the ACC is on. I am not taking about parking lot driving.
 

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I completely understand what you're saying about ACC. The Denali does the same thing.

That being said, and going all the way back to my original question, what is the "Automatic front/rear braking" and how does it work?
 

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From what I understand there is zero braking assist moving forward unless ACC is engaged and then only at higher speeds (like 35mph or something near that). So theoretically you could drive straight into a car in parking lot scenario. In reverse the braking only occurs if the truck senses a car coming from your right or left or an object directly behind you. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
 

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My caddie PLATINUM 4WD ESV costs close to $100K.
IT HAS Auto Front and Rear Braking.
It has Adaptive Cruise control over Full speed Range.
Many other features.
Love it.
best I ever got.
 

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this is worse than pulling teeth...

the PREMIUM and PLATINUM are supposed to have the Auto Front and Rear Braking. Maybe someone of you have it and it's disabled?

Zerdan1, can you drive towards a parked car without hitting the brake pedal and see what happens?
 

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In low speed situations, pulling into a parking space for example, if there is a pole and/or wall AUTOMATIC BRAKING will STOP THE CAR BEFORE IT HITS SAID OBJECT.

I park in a single bay garage door and must fold my mirrors, several times the auto braking will catch the garage door frame an STOP me from backing out of the garage.

I've even had it pick up the curb when parallel parking and STOP the vehicle.

Again, AUTO BRAKING is completely independent of ACC and works ONLY IN LOW SPEED SITUATIONS.

YES IT WILL COMPLETELY STOP THE VEHICLE.
 

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In low speed situations, pulling into a parking space for example, if there is a pole and/or wall AUTOMATIC BRAKING will STOP THE CAR BEFORE IT HITS SAID OBJECT.

I park in a single bay garage door and must fold my mirrors, several times the auto braking will catch the garage door frame an STOP me from backing out of the garage.

I've even had it pick up the curb when parallel parking and STOP the vehicle.

Again, AUTO BRAKING is completely independent of ACC and works ONLY IN LOW SPEED SITUATIONS.

YES IT WILL COMPLETELY STOP THE VEHICLE.

thank you. this is what i needed to know!
 
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