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I have recently found out my car is really rare, becuase of the paint color (also '93 was the only year for this color) and model, there were only 119 of these cars built in the world Now my car is mint, semi low miles (85k) and such, I have put 5,300 miles on the car since I started driving, some 3 months ago.

now I keep asking myself, is this good or bad? I mean, hell, I have a super rare car that, in the future will really be desierable, but on the same level, now I gotta watch the millage, change my driving habits, be alot more careful, I can't really modify the car much...... and being 16 y/o I like to let loose some times, modify the car (weather it be performance or sound system etc...) and not have to worry about degrading the value of my car and such.

Even before I knew that is was very rare, I told myself I would like to keep the car, well, forever (as strange as it sounds) and this just adds that much more. I am tight for money right now, and these are my options:

Winter is fast approching, I was gonna get the underbody (which has no rust at all) rust-proofed, now that will be about $350, Right now, I do not know how many more NY winters me or the car will be going through (right now it only looks like 2.... 3 max) but then the rustproofing will help long term, right? like mud and just water? it'll protect the bottom of the car? Then I need to get 2 snow tires for the front, and since the front tires are pretty good (while the back could be replaced) the current front tires will go on the back, come Spring, I would like to buy 4 new matching, good brand tires (right now they are like made in China and stuff)

So figure I'll have to spend $500 to prep the car for winter use.

Is it worth the $500? becuase now I am thinking about just getting a cheap $200-$300 beater and use that in the winter, then I don't have to run the car at all and worry about the salt damaging the very valuable paint and underbody. But, the car would not be rust proofed, so it is still open to the environment.

Now I also have to think, next year, hopefully in the early summer, I would like to get a car that I can use on crappy days and to go back and fourth to school/work etc.... I have 3 options, get a cheap beater and just run it, get a nicer, older, cheaper car and have fun with it, or get a newer expensive car. Then atleast I don't have to worry as much about things, and I can modify it. I hate to keep mentioning Cadillac, but since I am all about big power in a sleeper, I was seriously thinking about getting a '87-'89 Brougham, stock it has the 307 which is a very low power engine, so I would run it as it is until I save up money to do a SBC or even Cadillac 500 swap, then go from there (way in the future though, first I would just need to get a car) being that my mother and her boyfriend (as of 15 years) have a Brougham, he would feel good about me owning it and support me in that decsion.

I know it is not practicle in many ways for a 16 y/o not making much money, full time student at HS and a student pilot to have 2 cars, but I didn't plan on owning such a rare car, since I am going to (95% chance) have this car forever, I want to keeep it in good condition, but i do not believe a car should sit in a museum, it was made to be driven, so I will do that, but I am just talking about not going to school/mall parking lot where careless people will slam their doors into it and drive it in bad weather etc...

I guess a few of my questions are, should I spend the money and run the DeVille through the winter (plus I never drove in the winter before, and if I damage the car becuase of a stupid mistake I make, I will be pissed) or start looking for a winter beater? (off hand I am thinking like 80's Subaru GL....4wd, seem to be dependable, don't care about body condition or what works on the car as long as the engine/drivetrain are good....they seem to be cheap on ebay, like $400) And also, next year, do I get a cheap beater to put around in, or something older but nicer (I like the big 80's RWD Oldsmobile cars, kinda the same chassis as the Brougham) becuase what I really wanted to do was save up $3500 and get a '96-'98 Grand Am GT 2.4 5spd is not very practicle from an economic standpoint, but I could get a nice shape Olds for like $1200, which is alot more doable.

Sorry to ramble here, I wasn't going to post this at first but just keep thinking about it all the time, and I need to find an answer.

Thanks everyone for reading through another novel
 

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Get the winter beater! You dont wanna be driving it in the salt, its a PITA to clean up in the summer!! I did it, and im gonna have to do it again!!

Id get something that drives and that it for the 500 you wanna spend on winter prep.... one of my teachers sold a Ford Festiva for 500 not too long ago.... It was near mint (as much as a festiva could be), and got 45mpg city......

Or you could spend more money and get a decent car, have fun with it, and keep the caddy for the weekend cruises!!! Thats what I would do anyway!!
 

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BTW.... You sure like making long posts and thinking out loud....... :D
 

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I know of a nice 425 powered 1978 Fleetwood Brougham you could buy for a pretty good price...
 

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yeah, in the Want Ad there is a '70 Fleetwood with a '75 motor (500?) for $500 says runs good needs body work....only thing is, $500 is too much for me to spend (becuase it will need other stuff) and I coudln't run such an old and classic Caddy like that as a beater.....

Ahhh this has to be soo complicated....
 

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I hear ya. As it looks right now, my cad is gonna have to brave the cold and rack up more mileage during the winter. The biggest problem is definitely gonna be rust. I'm gonna put 3 coats of wax on it and just not drive it when PennDOT is a it again with the salt.
 

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Save the snow tire money. Save the rust proofing money. Put the Caddy away for just 5 months > Nov. to end of March, and pick up a beater.

If you wanna modify a Caddy, put the Coupe up for sale and buy a "run of the mill" Caddy to modify. It's really easy to think through.

I'd advertise it in Hemmings Motor News as the final year Coue d Ville in the only new color for 1993 and what turned out to be a one year only color. 119 were made. Get a secretary to answer the phone!!!
 

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If it was winter driven in the past, then I wouldn't worry too much, just flush it often, AND GO UNDERNEATH THE WHOLE CAR! I am sort of in the same dilemma, but mine was NEVER winter driven, (I know this because my dad bought it new, and you can tell) and it is nice to be able to say that when it comes time to sell. (people can tell looking underneath if it was winter driven or not, I can) I still have paper tags on my suspension components. This winter I have decided that I will only drive it when it is at least -20 C because no wet salt will be on the road in this situation. It cannot hurt to have a winter beater, but then you need more money for 2 sets of plates, and that depends on your budget. Come spring, I can no longer brag about this I guess. :crying2:
 

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Well, my car was never driven in winter, or much of it, as it was Floridan car it's whole life (we got it in Florida)

There is no way I can part with this car and get another, it means too much to me.....

I am gonna ask for my mothers boyfriend (15 years already...when is it gonna progress?) Rich, and see what he says, he was first agaisnt me getting a beater, saying that he dosn't want me in an unsafe car and money is an issue, but since I told him how rare the car is he may change his mind....

...I would definitly take the DeVille off the road while I have the other car on the road, I have seen car covers made for the '91-'93 DeVille on ebay (although they were for the Sedan, even though it was like 3" longer I don't think it would make a differnce) but it would still be sitting outside (no garage or anything) although I guess sitting in one spot in the drive way with a car cover is far better then being driven in the snow. Couple times a week or so I would run it for like 10min or so, so the battery stays fresh and everything stays working correctly.

I had posted this question here and at the Grand Am Owners Club (GAOC) it seems like the majority of the people here are for getting a beater, while the majority at GAOC is saying to just run the car and get what it needs etc.... both have very good points..... personally I would like to get a cheap beater, it's a matter of what Rich says (he is pretty much my father figure, if he says not to get it, I am not gonna be like, oh, too late, then when I need him to help me with something ask for help etc..)

On a side note, it is completly random how I found this car, after I decided on a '91-'93 Coupe DeVille, Rich was like, well check the Orlando Post newpapaer, see what's in there (since he was gonna vist his brother for 2 weeks) so I just happened to see "1993 Cadillac Coupe DeVille, mint, loaded, new tires, $4450obo) Rich did most of the talking and such, I guess some of the cars at the dealer were vandalized as the hood orniment, trunk lock voer and 4.9 PFI emblem were missing, so the deal was I'll pay the $4450 and he got all brand new (gold) emblems right from the dealer. the money was wired down and Rich flew down, picked up the car, drove it around while he was down there, then drove it back up to NY (even though he had a round-trip flight ticket) and it was sitting my my driveway for a month or so befor ei got my license (more then that actually) It was listed on a Friday, I believe it awas Friday night when we did the search, the guy even said he highly doubted it would last the weekend. Right before that I was bidding on this beuatiful 2 tone blue '93 Coupe DeVille with equal miles (78k) and blue leather interrior (though it had the alloy wheels, no gold badges though, but silver and blue IMO go together oh so nice) and after putting a max bid of like $5,200 in, I was outbid (ended at like $6500) and it was pure chance this all happened.

Want to hear something strange? my passenger window started making grinding nosies, I thought the track got messed up, once we pulled the door panel we saw that there was actually a for sale sign int he door, a big one, all it had was a phone number (from the origanal owner, this is supposbly a 1 owner car, but Car Fax says there is like 3 or 4, but that *may* be the dealer, and when Rich temperary put it under his name to drive it up) so I still have that number, I want to call it sometime to see if I can get any info.

Anyway, this is still bugging me.........
 

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Night, those are great stories, LOL. As for car covers,I had one on my Pontiac and even though they are good for keeping the sun off a car, etc. the wind can "buffet" the cover into the paint and cause some bad scratching, so be careful! I used some ropes and tied it down good, but then it is a pain to fire it up every couple of weeks. As for Rich, well he sounds ok. I am not so sure that my stepdad and I got off to such a wonderful start, but I did pick up my Caddy off him for a song. :2thumbs: 15 years, yeah that's long-enough a wait for your mom! :tisk:
 

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If you did try to sell it most people that call would probably just be seeing a 1993 Cadillac for sale. Not many would see it as a rare or collectible car.

Not winter driving a nice car is a good thing to do when you live in an area that salts roads. Cleaning them up in the spring isn't a problem but there's a reason why you don't see older cars in some areas. 2 of my cars get stored, the Cadillac actually got put away last weekend. Up here there are places that oil spray cars to help them last longer, it's a lot cheaper then $350. We've also never had a FWD car that has had snow tires. If you are going to winter drive it wait until you've used it a bit to decide if you want to buy them or not for it.

If you get a beater I'd avoid imports. They usually cost a lot to fix when they break down. At least parts don't normally cost all that much for Chryslers, Fords or GMs and they usually take longer to rust out too. If it does end up sitting for the winter it's better to not start it at all. Starting it once in a while doesn't give it time to warm up all the way.
 

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Night-Wolf, you've got a better Step~Father than many people have 'natural' Fathers. You are lucky.

As far as the Caddy, a soft cover will not scratch it. I have found the best covers are from JC Whitney, their $165.00 is very good. It has super duty elastic on the front & rear that goes under the bumpers, and does a great job hold it down.

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"" If you did try to sell it most people that call would probably just be seeing a 1993 Cadillac for sale. Not many would see it as a rare or collectible car. ""

While I tend to agree with you I can also add the taking the 4th grade class to see the Mona Lisa in person will fall on unappreciative eyes, it still does not lessen the value of the painting.
Same with Rich's Coupe deVille. I'll bet $500.00 spend on her will put her back into show concours condition, and an advertisment in the duPont Registery with photo should return 125% of Rich's Father's investment! Guarantee $6,000.00 return ! {and} IF THAT person keeps it mint and not too many miles put on they'll get their $6k back, too.
There's a top for every pot and there are people out there looking for everything!!! Ramblers are hot, check out all of the Rambler sites on the web! (Over 50). Imagine a final year (forever) Coupe deVille? The storied history of the make? What other model style car had a Hollywood movie named after it?? "Coupe DeVile" ?? It's a :thumbsup:
car, all the way!!
IF I had the room, I'd make an offer! But ... no room! 6 cars = 3 users & 3 "toy collectables" I wish I could get it! I'd be :bouncy:
 

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There was a movie "Coupe DeVille"?

Actually, Rich isn't even my step father, since they are still just "going out"..... and since I have known him since...forever, he has been like a father to me in many ways, my real father OTOH can be a real ******* and has problems...acutallyl I havn't seen him since Memorial day eairler this year becuase of stuff that happened, going to be going to trial soon.

That old Subaru ended and none bid on it, I may give Rich a call, tell him about it, then offer the guy $100, they are only 20min away.... I dunno, I was reading reviews on it and most everyone said they are great cars (thione is FWD not 4WD though) although timing belt and CV joints seem to go bad for some people....

....yeah, to the average person I just have a normal Cadillac, noone knows how rare the color is, or that it is the last year for the CDV etc.... but I do.

I am undecided... *IF* I got the car for $100, I e-mailed the car, he said they do not know much and noone is a mechanic there, most the cars are donated by Salvation Army and stuff, he said the engine/tranny are good, it runs and drives, although it has 207k miles, body is in good shape etc... just needs a tune up and some TLC.... so a tune up is what $50? go on the cheap side (regualr Champion spark plugs, cheap 88cents/quart Advance Auto oil, cheap filters etc..) so that would be $150, even if it came to $200 total, and it happened to die after winter (doubt it) $200 for a winter car for around 5 months to keep the Caddy away from the salt and risk damaging becuase of bad road conditions isn't too bad.

Plus it would be fun to have something to play around with in the orchards, only thing is, all the reviews I read are for the 4WD model (which everyone says the car is crazy in 4wd) but none for just FWD, I wonder how good it would be in the snow?

I'll have to see, I'll call Rich and maybe we can take a look at it today, maybe he will detur me from it, I dunno.
 

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Well, I gave Rich a call, at first it didn't sound like it was a good idea, but then as I was telling him more about it, he thinks it might be good.

I sent another e-mail to the guy, as it is right now, we are gonna go there Friday and take a look at it, he said that if the car dosn't need anything major like brakes and stuff, something that would be $250-$300 then it is a good possibility.

So I am going to wait for the reply from the guy and see what happens..... If I did get the car I would probally get snow tires, atleast 2 on the front. Otherwise this will be pretty cool.

Subaru has always been one of the few imports I like, but this would be neat, sure I am not gonna win any races or go on a cross country trip, but just something to put aorund with locally in the winter and the occansional fun in the mid and orchards (well, depending on it's condition) Most of all though, I can go to school, mall, or a bigger city etc... and not have to worry about if my car will be ok or not and what people may do to it. I am not gonna beat it to death though, and I'll keep it until it dies, but for the price, it is hard to complane..... The cool part is, at elast I will get to drive a stick, even if it is a 94hp beast, it'll be fun, I have always wanted a standard.

I am excited....kinda strange, excited over a $100-$150 car, oh well, I think it'll be cool..... I'll have to wait for a super nice day (well, it's really cold, but one that is nice and sunny and clear) and go for a long cruise with the DeVille before it get's put away, if all this does happen, I will have to winterize the DeVille, I suppose also take the battery out so it dosn't go bad.

on a quick side note, I notice when it is really cold out (IE car is covered with frost) that the engine is slower to turn over, and dosn't fire up as quickly, I do not hit the gas when starting it (maybe I should tap it a little bit?) but this is just normal right? from everything being cold and stuff? the battery looks pretty new and is AC Delco, I have not had any problems, just worry sometimes about it, although I don't think it is too bad.
 

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Yes, there was a movie called Coupe deVille. I had a poster for it, and I just looked all over and cannot find it in a hurry. It was in like the late 1980s. I cannot recall who starred in it. I saw it. It was a comedy, one of those that you tend to forget all about seeing like 48 hours afterwards.
The Coupe deVille was SUPPOSED to return beginning in 1995, a year AFTER the new body style, but the bean counters at GM nixed the idea based upon sales of the 1989 thru 1993 moldel of the same name.

I don't believe that the name will ever again adorn a Cadillac. Sadly the designers constantly have to deal with the bean counters and the prior sales charts, limiting some of the best designs to the "circular file" :banghead:
 

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I don't mind Sedans, some cars actually look better with 4 doors then 2, the big body Brougham is a good example.... I think the new DeVille's look good, considering what mose DeVille's are used for, the 4 door seems more practicle....

....when the Eldorado was around, that was a nice 2 door sporty car and such, but now that's gone....

....looking at that guys listing, wow, he has tons of cars for like $300, he is local too, one of them cought my eye, the '86 Cherokee, as I have wanted one, but it is the 2.8 V6- not powerful and the standard which is a complete POS (between the 4.0 I6 and auto, the driveline was buellet proof) There was also an '88 Eldorado for like $300.....

.... but I am gonna see what happens with this Subaru.
 

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Dude, you need to seriously not make you posts so long :bonkers: :D

Who cares if the winter cars is a POS and has no power.... Power wont <always, but helps> get you out of snow!!!

And I also couldnt think of a cadillac as a winter beater!!!!
 

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Posts take long to read, mind trails off, forget what i read, have to start over, posts long to read, forgot mind read, trails off to start, duh.....


I think i have read more in this thread than i have in the past 2 months.


Well my 2 cents. BUY A POS. My last beater was an 86 nova 4 door 4sp. it didn't have a 3rd gear i didn't care it cost me 125 bucks.
 

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In my mind, when buying a beater there are these things it needs.....

1. A title
2. 4 doors that shut most the way
3. 4 tires with wheels
4. a heater
5. an engine and tranny that shifts into drive and can safely go above 40mph
6. Windows that shut all the way
7. A drivers seat and seatbelt

Anything other than those is irrelevant......
 
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