New York Road Courses?

thebigjimsho

· #2 · Apr 9, 2009

V-Love said:
What road courses are in NY? I am not into the parking lot and cones thing. Monticello is more like what I'm after but I can't afford that club. Anyone know if they will be allowing car clubs to rent there? Wasn't Trump gonna build one on Wrong Island? I may be back in NY for the summer. No front plate though. Who has the nice long straights?

Pocono is almost as close to NYC as Monticello is. Watkins Glen is in NY but that's halfway to Buffalo. New Jersey's track is less than 2 hours away...

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Feffman

· #3 · Apr 9, 2009

We (www.MVPTrackTime.com) will be at Watkins Glen October 31 - November 1 for our first annual "Halloween Fright FAST". Should be a blast.

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branland

· #4 · Apr 9, 2009

Before I left NY our car club went to Lime Rock for the day. It was a blast.

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V-Love

Discussion Starter · #5 · Apr 9, 2009

I can't wait to drive them all. Limerock looks a little small but there is something to be learned. I'm sure.

http://www.theglen.com/Car-Club-Corral/Car-Club-Corral.aspx

http://www.poconoraceway.com/track_trackrental.asp

http://www.njmotorsportspark.com/tracks.html

http://www.limerock.com/content/track-track-map

http://www.msn.com/defaulta.aspx

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You want a long straight? Last year, I went to Pocono with PDA. We did the single infield. You go through Nascar front straigh, turn one and turn two, before diving into the infield (hard braking zone). I got it a little over 140 going intp turn two. Should be a little more interesting with the Maggie.

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AAIIIC

· #7 · Apr 9, 2009

I think others have pretty much hit all the ones that are "local". Depends on how far you're willing to go for some track time, of course, and where you are in NY. Watkins Glen is very much a horsepower track with some high speeds attainable, but there's not much room for error there.

My guess is that Monticello will have to rent out to clubs for HPDE events, just like all the other road course country club type places that have cropped up in the last decade or so. Granted, there's a lot more $$$ rolling around near Monticello than there is near VIR, but I still find it hard to believe they'll be able to keep the place running on member money alone.

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Twitch

· #8 · Apr 9, 2009

Don't forget V-Days!!! :highfive:

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atdeneve

· #9 · Apr 9, 2009

thebigjimsho said:
Pocono is almost as close to NYC as Monticello is. Watkins Glen is in NY but that's halfway to Buffalo. New Jersey's track is less than 2 hours away...

Monticello really isn't all that far away. Takes me about 45 minutes to an hour or so to get there from North Jersey. If I'm in New York, probably another 15-20 minutes, but it's really closer than I thought. Nothing more than a quick jaunt, I'd say.

NJMP, on the other hand, is farther away than I thought (or would have hoped). The drive there seems much longer than going to Monticello. Well, it is. Being nearly three hours away, it really is more of a drive than a jaunt, ya see?

The drive to Monticello is also more relaxing and less stressful. The roads are more scenic, since you do go through some mountainous areas. In the early morning, the wispy blanket of fog that loosely drapes upon the valley below is delightfully soothing. A perfect preamble for a scintillating track day, no?

Going down the turnpike? Bleh. All that greets you there are other industrial pitter-patter, airports, other cars, and cops. Not all that soothing.

Pocono slots in right between the two. Figure an hour longer than the trip to Monticello - about two hours to two hours and twenty minutes, depending on if you're in Northern Jersey or in the city.

Monticello is, by far, the easiest trip of the tracks in the immediate surroundings.

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thebigjimsho

· #10 · Apr 9, 2009

atdeneve said:
Monticello really isn't all that far away. Takes me about 45 minutes to an hour or so to get there from North Jersey. If I'm in New York, probably another 15-20 minutes, but it's really closer than I thought. Nothing more than a quick jaunt, I'd say.

NJMP, on the other hand, is farther away than I thought (or would have hoped). The drive there seems much longer than going to Monticello. Well, it is. Being nearly three hours away, it really is more of a drive than a jaunt, ya see?

The drive to Monticello is also more relaxing and less stressful. The roads are more scenic, since you do go through some mountainous areas. In the early morning, the wispy blanket of fog that loosely drapes upon the valley below is delightfully soothing. A perfect preamble for a scintillating track day, no?

Going down the turnpike? Bleh. All that greets you there are other industrial pitter-patter, airports, other cars, and cops. Not all that soothing.

Pocono slots in right between the two. Figure an hour longer than the trip to Monticello - about two hours to two hours and twenty minutes, depending on if you're in Northern Jersey or in the city.

Monticello is, by far, the easiest trip of the tracks in the immediate surroundings.

well, those are all 4-6 hours away so I don't care about your little jaunts...:thepan:

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thebigjimsho

· #11 · Apr 9, 2009

AAIIIC said:
I think others have pretty much hit all the ones that are "local". Depends on how far you're willing to go for some track time, of course, and where you are in NY. Watkins Glen is very much a horsepower track with some high speeds attainable, but there's not much room for error there.

My guess is that Monticello will have to rent out to clubs for HPDE events, just like all the other road course country club type places that have cropped up in the last decade or so. Granted, there's a lot more $$$ rolling around near Monticello than there is near VIR, but I still find it hard to believe they'll be able to keep the place running on member money alone.

They have already rented out. SCDA will be running there on July 31st. I'm sure others will too...

https://www.scda1.com/events/month/7/2009

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Slithering_Joe

· #12 · Apr 9, 2009

V-Love said:
I can't wait to drive them all. Limerock looks a little small but there is something to be learned. I'm sure....

Limerock is a blast. It may be a short track but it has some nice elevation changes.
Me (Cobra):

Not me:

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sefa01

· #13 · Apr 9, 2009

As Big Jim pointed out, Monticello is already renting out the track. PDA was there twice last year. The problem here is that Monticello only rents out the short course, not the full course that the members run (and which you can, too, for $100 K).

I'm not as big a fan of Lime Rock as Slithering Joe. I've run both my V and my C6 Z06 there. Short track that is better suited for Lotus Elise, Honda S2000 etc., etc. Short straitaway. Biggest problem is that with many clubs, such as PDA, you end up in a conga line with almost all run groups.

Pocono single-infield, as Tony pointed out, is the best road course if you're simply looking to see how fast you can go. With a Maggie, I've hit over 160 on the back straight there. Double-infield configuration is actually a lot more fun. North and South courses are worth doing, but avoid the East course.

Watkins Glen is definitely worth the ride. It's almost 3 1/2 miles and has everything you could want in a road course. Long straightaways, plenty of turns, left turns, right turns, chicanes, and lots of elevation changes.

NJ Motorsports has two different tracks. Thunderbolt is fun and challenging. Lightning is short and somewhat boring.

Web sites for events have previously been posted. Take a look at the tracks and dates.

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Feffman

· #14 · Apr 9, 2009

sefa01 said:
As Big Jim pointed out, Monticello is already renting out the track. PDA was there twice last year. The problem here is that Monticello only rents out the short course, not the full course that the members run (and which you can, too, for $100 K).

Watkins Glen is definitely worth the ride. It's almost 3 1/2 miles and has everything you could want in a road course. Long straightaways, plenty of turns, left turns, right turns, chicanes, and lots of elevation changes.

Agreed! Monticello is REAL proud of the tracks too. They are the most expensive rentals for those sized tracks I've come across. MVP was asked to host an event for a New Jersey club at Monticello until I told the club board the cost of rental. It would be great, if like Autobahn near Chicago, they could combine the tracks occassionally. We are very excited to FINALLY get to The Glen. I hope you guys will join us.

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branland

· #15 · Apr 9, 2009

Slithering_Joe said:
Limerock is a blast. It may be a short track but it has some nice elevation changes.
Me (Cobra):

LimeRock is a lot of fun. Come up over the hill and down onto the main straight. If you can get on the gas early and not go off you can pull the car in front of you even it it has more horsepower.

The only time I've had more fun has been in my Kart.

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V-Love

Discussion Starter · #16 · Apr 9, 2009

Slithering_Joe said:
Limerock is a blast. It may be a short track but it has some nice elevation changes.
Me (Cobra):

Not me:
YouTube - LimeRock RollOver

Yeah, I wanna learn how to avoid doing that. The Limerock rollover move. Thats tricky.

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atdeneve

· #17 · Apr 10, 2009

thebigjimsho said:
well, those are all 4-6 hours away so I don't care about your little jaunts...

Is there any reason you would suspect that I would think otherwise? Of course, you could care less. You didn't ask the question. So my little jaunts don't concern you.

If I'm not mistaken, V-Love started this thread. He's the one that's gonna be in this area. He's the one that asked the question. How you feel, somewhere along the line, you somehow became the center of focus on this topic, I don't know.

But, my jaunts, they're soothing. They're soothing jaunts, Jim. Soothing like botanicals. And when it comes to soothing botanicals, everyone cares! Everyone!

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atdeneve

· #18 · Apr 10, 2009

Slithering_Joe said:
Limerock is a blast. It may be a short track but it has some nice elevation changes.
Me (Cobra):

Not me:
YouTube - LimeRock RollOver

I thought that crash was a Subaru (it's not a BMW). Actually, I even thought it was someone on this board. AAIIIC? I don't know, maybe I'm getting em confused.

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thebigjimsho

· #19 · Apr 11, 2009

atdeneve said:
Is there any reason you would suspect that I would think otherwise? Of course, you could care less. You didn't ask the question. So my little jaunts don't concern you.

If I'm not mistaken, V-Love started this thread. He's the one that's gonna be in this area. He's the one that asked the question. How you feel, somewhere along the line, you somehow became the center of focus on this topic, I don't know.

But, my jaunts, they're soothing. They're soothing jaunts, Jim. Soothing like botanicals. And when it comes to soothing botanicals, everyone cares! Everyone!

D00D, it was a joke. Part jealousy of only having NHMS in a reasonable drive from my abode...

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AAIIIC

· #20 · Apr 11, 2009

atdeneve said:
I thought that crash was a Subaru (it's not a BMW). Actually, I even thought it was someone on this board. AAIIIC? I don't know, maybe I'm getting em confused.

Yup, that was me, and yes, it was a Subaru. A '99 Legacy 2.5GT sedan, to be exact.

That was my 3rd ever track day, my 2nd time at Lime Rock. No instructor assigned because I had been there before. Came into the Uphill faster than I should have, tapped the brakes after turn-in (big no-no), then didn't react nearly quickly enough to the resultant oversteer. Over-confidence early in the first session of the day + twitchy car due to an aggressive auto-x alignment = bad situation. Hindsight being 20/20, if I had just counter-steered a little bit and floored the gas the inherent on-throttle understeer would've straightened it right out, but I was focusing on the Armco barriers off the edge of the track and froze. I honestly figured I was fine as I headed towards the dirt - I was in a Subaru, it loves the dirt!

- but as soon as the tires hit the dirt it just dug in and went over onto the roof. Here's more video (with more NSFW yelling) of the few minutes after the rollover.

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