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I truely believe that all the flaming that so called Ricers get is TOTALLY uncalled for. I think that most (if not all) people that flame ricers are just old-school performance dinosaurs and need to realize that Ricers are no different than many of us were when we were young.

In high school, I remember many guys taking lame-ass cars with no REAL performance capability and doing multiple BS mods to them via Pep Boys/JC Whitney/Local Speed Shops. Virtually any high school back in the 60's and 70's had a ton of cars with the following:

1. Air shocks
2. Fat rear tires
3. Skinny front tires
4. Glass-pack muffler(s)
5. Chrome tail pipe(s)
6. Chrome air cleaner or just flipped-over OEM lid
7. Pin stripe or "Racing Stripes"
8. Chrome or aluminum rear inspection cover
9. TONS of stickers (Thrush, STP, Edlebrock, Hooker Headers, etc, etc)

You know how many guy I saw pulling 2bbl carbs off and "plopping" 4bbl on thinking that they had just made a RACE CAR?
No, sorry guys, this is the SAME THING that's ALWAYS been part of the automotive scene. This new generation just uses better cars than we did and they manage to get a hell of a lot more performance out of their cars than we did, and it REALLY seems to piss-off the old-school guys.
I, for one can appreciate a slammed Civic just as I can a '69 Z-28, or a Callaway Vette, or a Saleen Mustang. Hell, I used to build High-Performance VW Beetles and always got the eye from the RWD/V8 guys whenever I took one out on the road. And I'm sure they used to have all kinds of crap to say about me and my little POS cars after I dusted their Camaro's or Mustang's.
But throughout the years, even though there HAS ALWAYS BEEN more than one way to go fast, I've NEVER seen such animosity towards other performance enthusiasts as there seems to be nowadays. I REALLY think it's stupid and am getting tired of hearing it from supposedly intelligent people.

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Re: My take on "RICE"

I agree wholeheartedly.

The term "riceboy" should apply to someone who slaps a bunch of stickers on a car for parts they don't own. Or to a kid who parrots a lot of car talk they read in a magazine or on an internet forum, but they have no idea what they're talking about.

Consider this: In the 50's, 60's, 70's, and early 80's, there just weren't any Japanese cars on the road that were worth modifying. (I'm not talking about the Z) Today, Asian-built cars dominate the market. Kids are going to mod WHATEVER cars they happen to be able to afford.
 

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Re: My take on "RICE"

I agree as well. There's no need to pay any disrespect to anyone because of the kind of car they choose - or choose to improve... I for one, respect all automobiles and their owners.

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Katshot said:
6. Chrome air cleaner or just flipped-over OEM lid
:histeric: the flipped over lid, i forgot about that. I think I did that to my '80 Regal in high school, probably worth 10 hp :rofl:

I'm with you on this one, i acually like alot of these "rice"(i dont actually use that term) cars.

Hey when your'e 16, all you can afford is the stickers. I have alot more respect for those guys than the kids around here driving boxsters. Now if I saw a thirty year old driving a civic with a black painted hood and aluminum wing I might start to wonder about him.
 

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IMO a "riced out" car is ANY car with, a huge spoiler on the back that serves no purpose, big exhaust tips that make the stupid buzz noise on stock exhasut system, mutiple stickers of products that the owner does not own, nor in the car. body kit put on badly or not painted, huge 10k racing tach with amber shift light.....when the car is an auto with a factory tach in the dash. stupid badges like Type-R on a lowest line Civic, or those DOHC V-tech stickers on a car that dosn't have it etc...
speaking for me, and alot of other people, If I was to see a car, even with all the things on it, and the car dosn't have, or anything like that, I still proablly wouldn't call it rice, BUT when the owner of the car actually thinks, and goes around acting like the car is really fast, when it is all stock, except for apperance, then that is what I really consider rice. It happens all the time at my school, but if people would just shut their mouth, instead of braggin about things they don't have in their car, then everything would be fine.
 

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The thing you always see the most of is kids with ground effects, neons, wheels, carbon fiber hoods, wings, etc. cruising around. But me being a kid and who know's a lot of people like this know why the kids do this.
1. Too many cops so whats the point of having a fast car that all its going to do is get you in trouble.
2. Not every kid cares about performance. Some kids if not most of them go for the all show-no go setups.

But I am also tired of people throwing the "ricer" word around all the time as soon as they see a import with any sort of modification done to it. The big thing is the "fart pipe" well unfortunatly no matter what you do a 4 cylinder it WILL sound like a farting noise or like bubble bee's no matter how good of a setup you have on it. But the kids with these cars also need to chill out with all this JDM talk and to stop being SO original with modifying Civic's, well actually any Honda in general. Try expanding your horizon's a little bit. Every car I have owned has been one not too many if any kids my age have owned. I've owned a 86' Lincoln Mark VII LSC, 89' Nissan Maxima SE, 91' Ford Taurus SHO+, and now I have the '02 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V. So those car minus the Maxima nobody my age would even think of owning. KIDS BE ORIGINAL FOR ONCE!!!
 

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But the kids with these cars also need to chill out with all this JDM talk and to stop being SO original with modifying Civic's, well actually any Honda in general. Try expanding your horizon's a little bit.
yeah, i remember when i was really into JDM cars, the real stuff. I went around my school with a pic of a JGTC(Japanese Grand touring car) Chaser from a mag and asked all the "import guys" what it was. WOW, not one knew, i got answers like, acura legend, IS300, accord. Thats what i deam a ricer, if you talk about things you read in super street but have no clue about anything else, then i say rice(or hamberger if its US cars :banghead2 ).
 

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03EscaladeAWD seems like the self appointed rice cop here. If no one makes mods on their Cadillacs how are we ever going to get anywhere? If there is no need to make mods who will make the custom parts... The "rice" scene is an obvious call to everyone that we as Americans desire auto parts and all we can get.
 
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when the owner of the car actually thinks, and goes around acting like the car is really fast, when it is all stock, except for apperance, then that is what I really consider rice.

Its not so much the car as the owner (or as is often the case with kids - simply the driver). Civics can be nice cars. No, they aren't race cars and no matter how much money you dump into it, its never going to be one. That was never part of its design consideration. But, having said that, I really really LOVE the Top Fuel Honda Del Sol they made for Option Magazine thats mid engine and rear wheel drive. Now, thats how Honda should have made it to start with. Very Lotus like.

http://www2.famille.ne.jp/~mst-hide/event/sa_zero.html
http://p34car.hp.infoseek.co.jp/off/motegi01/01motegi8.htm

And, I think maybe an AWD Civic would be a nice fun car to do up but they were never sold directly in the USA and using the CR-V drivetrain for a swap has been done but its expensive.
 

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03EscaladeAWD seems like the self appointed rice cop here. If no one makes mods on their Cadillacs how are we ever going to get anywhere? If there is no need to make mods who will make the custom parts... The "rice" scene is an obvious call to everyone that we as Americans desire auto parts and all we can get.
What are you talking about? Caddies are plenty powerful from the factory, well mine is. I think the term stems from what I heard years ago which is "If it runs on rice, then you are a ricer." We are talking about JAP cars here. Please in the future, DO NOT call my Cadillac a RICER even if I make mods to it. A Cadillac is NOT a RICE car! Remember in Harley Davidson and the Marboro Man, Don Johnson shot his bike and said "damn rice-bike, etc" Well it was a Japanese bike. When I hear Americans calling their Cadillacs rice, I get angry at first, then I laugh and think what are you guys talking about?! Up here, Rice is Jap! bouncer:
 

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Its not so much the car as the owner (or as is often the case with kids - simply the driver). Civics can be nice cars. No, they aren't race cars and no matter how much money you dump into it, its never going to be one. That was never part of its design consideration. But, having said that, I really really LOVE the Top Fuel Honda Del Sol they made for Option Magazine thats mid engine and rear wheel drive. Now, thats how Honda should have made it to start with. Very Lotus like.

http://www2.famille.ne.jp/~mst-hide/event/sa_zero.html
http://p34car.hp.infoseek.co.jp/off/motegi01/01motegi8.htm

And, I think maybe an AWD Civic would be a nice fun car to do up but they were never sold directly in the USA and using the CR-V drivetrain for a swap has been done but its expensive.
I am not saying Civic's are bad.... one of my friends just got a '92 Civic. Sure it's slow, but it is bigger and nicer inside then I first thought, and he wanted a car with good gas millage, and he gets 38-40 around town, that's what he wante,d and he is happy with it, and it's all good.... but he realizes it's not a fast car, and treats it so.

But yeah, Civic's...used for the purpos they were design- god, cheap, reliable transportation form point A to point B, are great little cars, especally if you are concered about gas millage....

....they hold their valuve very well, his car has 90k miles on it. Mine had 78k on it when I bought it, he paid $3,900 for his car and I paid $4,500 for mine... $600 differnce but look at how much more of a car I have (20mpg around town too) but that's what he wanted, so it's all good.
 

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Re: My take on "RICE"

I think Ralph is right **GAG** ;)
No, REALLY!
The term "Ricer" originally came from the motorcycle crowd and it DID refer to Japanese bikes. Then, as Japanese CARS started invading the automotive scene much in the same way that Japanese bikes had, the "Rice" name seemed to just spill over onto them as well.
The same idiotic mindset that gave us a "much divided" motorcycle enthusiast group, had just planted the same "bad seed" in the minds of automotive enthusiasts. Of course, it took hold and has grown into the same type of self-destructive thinking that will continue to undermind the collective power of a truely HUGE market group.
Think about how much more freedom and choices we, as automotive enthusiasts would have if we ALL were a "united" group and not several "splintered" groups. If "automotive performance" included ALL types of cars and owners, we as a group of vehicle owners would surely benefit. Aftermarket companies would be able to consolidate their marketing efforts into one market segment instead of the many that they must try to attract now and be able to roll that money over into lower prices, and expanded product lines. Just think of the possibilities if we weren't such a narrow-minded, prejudicial group of people.
 

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TIME OUT!

Okay, I'm the "Bling Bling" police, a few others are the "Rice Police," but right now I'm going to become the self-appointed PUNCTUATION POLICE!

Save yourselves a key stroke here and there, fellas.

If a word is PLURAL, you don't stick an apostrophe in before the "s" OKAY? The apostrophe is meant to indicate possession, not plurality.

thank you.

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Haven't you been to the F1 race is Suzuka yet? The opening race is a Civic spec race.
Just because they race them, that doesn't make them race cars. There is also a Nissan March one make series and if you've ever seen a March, you'd know they ain't race cars.

And for the rotoary engines, Option had an article with a custom 4-rotor engine making mad power. Bolts in just like a 13b or 20b.
 

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Just because they race them, that doesn't make them race cars. There is also a Nissan March one make series and if you've ever seen a March, you'd know they ain't race cars.
What would a car that be called that races and has had it's interior stripped, a roll cage installed and it's suspension and driveline modified so that it is no longer legal to drive on the street?

A.) Street car
B.) Show car
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C.) Race car

Not all race cars start life as carbon fiber tubs. Many racing series are still based on production cars modified for racing use. It all depends on how it's equipped and where it's driven.
 

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I still have to say that any car can be a ricer. A car with stickers stating something its not, like V-Tech stickers on a Cadillac, a loud racing exhaust that is said to improve performance but really only improves sound, and a ridiculously big spoiler that does nothing but increase drag and decrease gas mileage can't be anything but a ricer. This setup can be on a Honda, a Cadillac, or even a Bentley. You usually see them on Hondas because they are the easiest to do, and the cheepest. Thumbs up to the people who actually make it fast, but I would still tell them you would save a helluva lot of money buying American muslce thats already fast when you buy it. Imagine a Rice Bentley. The owners wont live long. bouncer:
 

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I still have to say that any car can be a ricer. A car with stickers stating something its not, like V-Tech stickers on a Cadillac, a loud racing exhaust that is said to improve performance but really only improves sound, and a ridiculously big spoiler that does nothing but increase drag and decrease gas mileage can't be anything but a ricer. This setup can be on a Honda, a Cadillac, or even a Bentley. You usually see them on Hondas because they are the easiest to do, and the cheepest. Thumbs up to the people who actually make it fast, but I would still tell them you would save a helluva lot of money buying American muslce thats already fast when you buy it. Imagine a Rice Bentley. The owners wont live long. bouncer:
Well yes you can buy american muscle. I mean who wouldn't want a car that gets 15 mpg, cheap build quality, in the shop more then its on the road, cheap interior, but yet it goes fast. Well damn I'll be more then happy to dump $30k+ for a muscle car just because it goes fast and the rest of it blows. The import cars are so much better build quality, last a lot longer, and hold their value better. OK think of it like this. I bought my 2002 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V or $18,065 I blieve it was. Now my best run has been a 15.196 @ 88.54 mph in it stock. Within the next few months there is going to be 3 turbo's coming out for the Spec V from the same company. Stage I= $450 which makes the car go from 175hp to 220 hp and 180 lb/tq. to 245 lbs./tq. Stage II= $1100 and makes 290 hp and 310 lb./tq. and Stage III= $2000 and makes 320 hp and 365 lb./tq. Now lets say my $18k car with the Stage III kit equals $20k. Now with that kinda power pushing around a 2400 lbs. car that would be more then enough to blow the doors off of a new Cobra without even thinking about it and will probably give a Z06 a run for its money if not beat it. But I guess paying $20k for a import with 4 doors that would blow away a $40k+ american muscle sports car is just stupid then ain't it? :rolleyes:
 
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