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I guess I'm a bit different in that I much prefer shifting gears. I drive off road quite a bit and my thinking is that I am less likely to get stuck with manual. I also prefer manual transmission in more high performance vehicles. I grew up with mostly automatics and there is just something about shifting gears that I like better. I can understand your point though. My favorite saying is "Thats why they make chocolate and vanilla" we get to choose what we want.
 

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Oh yeah! I'm obviously an exception to the rule. Most go fast guys seem to prefer manual trannys! I just have a thing about it, Sort of my own personal demon....So to speak! LOL!
 

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Personally, I think automatics are better. 20 years ago, I wouldnt have gotten an auto. But now we are in the world of 6speed automatics. I would rather let the tranny do the thinking while I drive. I definitely want to get a car someday that has the tiptronic. Unfortunately, they only offer it on expensive imports and **gasp** chryslers. I have seen on some BMWs they have a thing that lets you shift through the gears. That is pretty cool.
 

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The BMW SMG (sequential Manual Gearbox) is *not* an automatic transmission. It's a manual transmission with hydraulic actuators that take care of the clutch for you and allow you (or the car) to decide when to shift. Here's a better description:
Sequential Manual Gearbox (SMG)
Includes Sequential (semi-automatic) and Automated (fully automatic) mode actuation of a 6-speed manual transmission and rear park distance control (PDC). Sequential mode requires driver input for sequential up- or downshifts, done with the floor console-mounted shift lever or steering wheel-mounted shift paddles. When a driver selects Automated mode, the transmission shifts automatically; no driver input is needed. There is no clutch pedal with this transmission, since the system automatically engages/disengages the clutch.
Ferrari also offers a tranny like this.

This is a good topic - can we split it off?
 

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go ahead, your the moderator. Just put it in general section.

BTW, i was referring to the older BMWs. I dont know much about BMWs, but i have rode in a few (not too many that ritzy in indiana). I can remember 1 time riding in a 840 (awesome car), that there was a slider that you could move up or down to make it go into auto or "manual". With the manual, you would start at the bottom (1) and work your way up. I think it only had a 4 speed
 

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go ahead, your the moderator. Just put it in general section.
In this Forum I'm just a member (i.e. no Admin privileges). Allante North * or Sal would need to split it off.
BTW, i was referring to the older BMWs. I dont know much about BMWs, but i have rode in a few (not too many that ritzy in indiana). I can remember 1 time riding in a 840 (awesome car), that there was a slider that you could move up or down to make it go into auto or "manual". With the manual, you would start at the bottom (1) and work your way up. I think it only had a 4 speed [/B]
OK, got it.
 

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Oh im sorry, i thought it was allante n* that was responding. Just write him up and we can have him split it.
 

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Has anyone driven a BMW or Ferrari with self-shifting manual tranny?

There was a time in my youth when I would never have driven an automatic, but now that I'm more mature, and the auto trannies are better, I like 'em just fine. Not sure which I would opt for given a choice.

My Syclone and Typhoon are both way faster with automatics than they would be with manuals.
 

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Never driven any vehicle with the triptronic transmission, but I would love to. I wonder if they are similar to the old dual gate Hurst His and Her's that allow you to select either full automatic or semi-manual. I was looking at a BMW when I bought the Allante, and the triptronic was an option that I was leaning towards. I love manual, but my wife is more fond of the automatic. I thought it would be a nice compromise.
 

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I have a thing for shifting my own gears too. but there are also many advantages to autos. like I dont always have 3 feet
 

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Personally, i think that autos are faster. They always shift presisely, and mostly at the right time. When the human is doing it, there is much more chance that you would miss a gear, kill it, etc. In these days, automatics are getting better, and i believe will make the manual obsolete. Especially with the development of VTi tranny. It uses a pulleys and a belt to make essentially an unlimited amount of gear ratios. While this still needs development, it is a step in the right direction. My uncle drove one, and he said it felt weird, because the engine stayed at the same RPM the entire time, and you didnt have that shifting feel, which a lot of people wouldnt like.

As far as tiptronic, never had the chance to drive one. I heard that they are much better, because they give you everything good from a manual and everything good from an automatic.
 

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cars are getting way to far away from the driving expieriance itself. even though germans are the inovators of much of this I have the same beliefs as they do about driving. they cant understand why we need cup holders and car phones. you there to drive not eat, and read papers and make phone calls DRIVE!

but if im going to shift gears i want a real stick not all this shift by wire and junk I like mechanical connections. they're taking the driving out of driving
 

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I disagree. I think that shift by wire and other things like that make driving easier and more enjoyable.
 

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I guess Im "old school" I like being a part of what my car does, more than go, stop, and turn
 

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Yeah, i still like to be involved in the cars operation, but i think there is a medium between too much involvement and not enough. Some of these high tech cars make it so all you literally have to do is start it, put it in gear, put gas in it, oil it and drive it. No other stuff required. I like to feel in my hands and the seat of my pants the shift from 1st and 2nd gear, but i dont need to be the one clutching, shifting, etc. If the car can do taht much, then im happy. I also like the speed assist steering. I have driven a car with it, and it really makes it much easier, and it doesnt take away from the feel.
 

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REAL SMG is faster than both manual and automatic. It's used in a lot of track racing applications.
On M3 with smg, there are multiple mode you can choose from and fastest manual mode will shift so quick you will never ever put it in that mode again.
Less than handful of cars have real smg and most of them are priced above 50k at least.


edit: I forgot to add that most tiptronic, auto stick doesn't allow you to hold redline like real manual and smg does.
 

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I guess I like the 'boxes in like rally cars, and the paddles in the ultra fast Italian cars look fun
 

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I guess I like the 'boxes in like rally cars, and the paddles in the ultra fast Italian cars look fun
they are both sequential manuals. F1 cars use em, and a lot of drag cars are smg as well.
 

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I know the Lenco would be my choice in a drag car :D
 
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