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I popped the hood to clean the drop in aFe filters and found the oil refill cap was missing!



I had the oil change at the local Cadillac dealership last week and have been riding around without the cap in place.



Luckily, it was still under the hood.



Checked the oil level and all is well.
 

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Another reason to do it yourself.
 
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Yah, tin-. And that was the fourth thing I thought.
The first three immediately were, "Trust but verify."
"Trust but verify."
"Trust but verify."
The fifth thing was to go my spreadsheet I've kept the running tally on for over 40 years, titled 'Pros & Cons Letting Others Do Oil Changes'. Cons column has entries to row 720.
Pro side has just the single entry: Use with any car you hate so much you hope gets only 4 blocks away afterward, and then the fried motor will get the car totaled out.
 
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That's an oops, but better than leaving the drain plug loose.

Or leaving the oil filter loose.

Or forgetting to refill it with oil.

Or trusting the gauge on the oil fill gun that's actually way off and not double checking on the dipstick so they end up overfilling the engine to the point lots of oil gets sucked into the PCV and kills the catalytic converters from all the oil ingestion and oil smoke.

Or not making sure the old oil filter gasket isn't stuck on the engine, double gasketing the new oil filter, and having it blow out a few miles down the road.

Or using your finger to poke a hole into the plastic wrapper on the new oil filter instead of peeling it off from the bottom, resulting in a little finger sized "plug" of plastic dropping into the filter and not catching it, only to have that little piece of plastic get wedged in an oil passage in one of the cylinder heads which starves it of oil and smokes the cams and journals on that cylinder head... which snowballs into breaking the timing belt when the cams seized up which leads to crashing valves into pistons on both banks of the engine... and of course the customer made it a couple miles down the road before it all went wrong.

Seen them all... a service manager friend at a busy local dealer has to replace at least 1 and usually 2 or 3 engines a year for any of those reasons. At least if the dealer screws it up they pay for the replacement engine out of their pocket... you make one of those mistakes while doing your own oil change and it comes out of your pocket.

I guess be glad the oil fill cap on these cars is baffled inside the valve cover, some engines will "old faithful" a healthy spray of oil out of the fill cap and soak everything under the hood after a few minutes of running without the fill cap on.
 

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tta1456: "I guess be glad the oil fill cap on these cars is baffled inside the valve cover, some engines will "old faithful" a healthy spray of oil out of the fill cap and soak everything under the hood after a few minutes of running without the fill cap on."

Yup. I got the pleasure of (almost nearly) that very thing with doing my wife's new Tucson's first change. I couldn't figure out why the draining oil was doing just a slow glug....glug. So, I thought removing the cap would increase flow, and voila! But after buttoning everything up and refilling, I started it and could see stuff soon trying to shoot out the fill hole and quickly got the cap on - and then with just 2 minutes of wiping everything down. Those engines are sure put together and sealed up tight nowadays.
 

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Why does GM Corporation tolorate these kinds of poor workmenship dealers/service deptments causing of $10,000's of dollars? From what I understand, the service center is the profit center for dealerships?
 

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Last September when I had my windshield replaced the dealer left a screw driver in my engine compartment In November I had my passenger lifters replaced and the dealer forgot to put oil in my Escalade. The dealer was Sewell in Houston. I am glad that no one took a backpack full of gold bars and diamonds.
 

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Why does GM Corporation tolorate these kinds of poor workmenship dealers/service deptments causing of $10,000's of dollars? From what I understand, the service center is the profit center for dealerships?
GM unfortunately does not have anything to do with dealership employees. That is solely on the owners/management of the dealership. Usually, these things happen because dealerships have "quick lube" techs that just do oil changes. I've heard a lot of horror stories about these guys from a friend who runs the service department for Subaru. A lot of them just rush and don't pay attention. There is supposed to be a shop foreman/lead tech that will go over the job after quick lube completes the oil change. This typically does not happen and things like oil caps get overlooked. If you get an actual technician that does the oil change these incidents don't typically happen. Quick lube is a blessing and a curse for dealerships. It's hard to find decent quick lube techs as it's a revolving door and they do not get paid on the same level as the rest of the technicians.
 

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You are 100% correct that the quick service bays and lube techs are both a major source of revenue and also headaches for the service manager. The employees in the quick lube bays are usually lower paid hourly employees that are light on experience and/or ability or worse yet, know just enough to be dangerous and are salty they aren't full techs yet and try to do something beyond their abilities and get in over their heads and make a real mess of things. Mistakes get made and you have to have a good supervisor giving everything a once over.

As far as in the main shop, it's hard to find any techs right now (good or otherwise) and a lot of dealers are bumping lube techs to full techs to fill the void even though they aren't ready for the job yet, or offloading some of the easier jobs (paid and warranty both) into the quick lube area to keep the understaffed regular shop with the full technicians from being overloaded... a surefire recipe for mistakes and comebacks.

It's also difficult to find techs that can do proper diagnosis; many of the new hires in the last 5+ years are simply parts changers and have a hard time just following the clearly defined step by step diagnosis procedures in the manufacturer's service instructions. Good luck if you have a real tricky problem that requires advanced diagnosis beyond the scope of the service instructions or requires working with the manufacturer's techline or engineering people to resolve.

It seems to be a lack of techs, and not a simple lack of money to attract good techs-- at least around here. A good tech at a moderately busy dealer service department here can make $110-140k+ a year; $31 minimum hourly rate here in CA for a tech who provides their own tools (minimum pay of double the current minimum wage) even if they have zero ASE certifications, paid for all hours present even for flat rate techs even if it's a slow day and they aren't turning wrenches, and a good tech working at a moderately busy flat rate shop will usually be at 150%+ productivity. I know a few flat rate techs at busy dealers who have averaged 200 hours per 2 week pay period over the last several years, sometimes clocking 28-32 hours per day when the stars line up and they get several back to back "gravy" jobs that are easy and quick to do but are generous on the book time. Several of the really good senior techs make more than their service department managers. Even with pay prospects like that the service department managers can't find qualified people to interview or hire.

The tech shortage and average skill level is bad enough there's at least 2 people in my local area that have advanced diag equipment and software for various vehicle makes and are contracted by multiple dealers to do advanced diag on cars their techs can't figure out, and then give the service manager a list of what needs to be done to fix the vehicles. They do very, very well.

The dealers aren't totally blameless for this tech shortage either, a lot of them fostered toxic work environments for years by playing games with book hours, warranty hours, and benefits which hosed the techs-- and a lot of experienced techs that would be great to have in the shop today don't want to play that game anymore and have moved on to other things.

As far as the relation to this thread... based on the quality of the average tech I've seen hired over the past few years, I expect to see more mistakes being made by service departments in the coming years, rather than less; so expect to find more missing oil caps (and worse) as time goes on.
 

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In the FWIW category, years ago I had to take a trip to a work site in Canada so checked the Honda Civic I was driving. I needed to add a quart and did so. Off to Canada at 6AM, in the dark, with no issues. At a toll booth I thought I saw something on the lower left windshield but didn't think much of it. A bit later, as the sun was rising, I could see it was oil puddling there. Pulled into a parking lot and opened the hood - to find the oil cap wasn't there. Oh, shit, I thought - where am I gonna find one? Fortunately I found it wedged in and was able to retrieve and install it. The oil level was still fine - the cams blew some out the hole but not badly.

Now I double check the cap...
 

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From my thread I started on Sept. 15, 2016 in the CTS GenII Forum:

As many of you know, through my own mistake I destroyed my engine with 102,289 miles on it. I had religiously changed the oil and sent samples off to Blackstone Labs for analysis, and it always came back how my engine was in great condition. So the last time I changed my oil just before a long trip I did not change out my O-ring on my oil filter. That O-ring failed and I subsequently had tremendous oil blow-by causing my engine to seize up and "poof"!

It cost me $9000 for a new crate engine.
 

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From my thread I started on Sept. 15, 2016 in the CTS GenII Forum:

As many of you know, through my own mistake I destroyed my engine with 102,289 miles on it. I had religiously changed the oil and sent samples off to Blackstone Labs for analysis, and it always came back how my engine was in great condition. So the last time I changed my oil just before a long trip I did not change out my O-ring on my oil filter. That O-ring failed and I subsequently had tremendous oil blow-by causing my engine to seize up and "poof"!

It cost me $9000 for a new crate engine.
Ouch. I've done the double gasket oil filter thing once years ago on another car, but noticed the puddle and trail of oil when I backed the car off the rack and shut it down before it pumped too much out.

It's easy to make a mistake and miss something, even working at home at your own pace... all it takes is one distraction. Now consider working in a busy dealer shop as a senior tech and being in the middle of a job, getting distracted by a new less experienced tech who comes to you with a question so you stop to help them, and at the same time one of the service writers is sticking his head out the door and yelling asking where the car is for his waiter who's in the lounge and is wondering why their car isn't done yet... it's amazing to me that more stuff doesn't get messed up and sent out the door loose or missing.

Speaking of techs missing things, the last week of December one of the local shops was doing the first oil change and tire rotation on a brand new car they had sold a couple months previously and the tech left the driver's side rear wheel loose and didn't finish torque it. It departed the car about 5 miles down the road on the freeway at 70ish mph. The customer managed to keep the car off the guardrails and the loose wheel and tire ended up missing all the other traffic and came to a stop in a ditch on the side of the road, but it trashed the LR suspension, wheel well, and quarter panel. Oops. Shop put them in a loaner while their car is off getting fixed and is paying for all repairs.
 

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At the end of the day it’s your car so always check the engine compartment and oil levels when getting work done before leaving the stealership. No one is going to care about your vehicle.
 
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