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Check the specs:

Lambo - DOHC 48-valve V-12, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection

N* - DOHC 32-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads

Seems like Cadillac engineers had it going with their highly advanced engine for the time. The same concepts are being used in todays super cars. Just a thought.
 

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Boy, that's a pretty generalized comparison. By that same token, the V-6 engine in my neighbor's Honda Odyssey has it right up there with the Lamborghini (DOHC 24-valve V-6, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection).

At the time, early '90s, the Northstar engine was very advanced, innovative, groundbreaking (in its segment), and a real awakening for many other luxury makes. Over the last 15 years, however, it's seen engine upgrades that couldn't be described as more than tweaks (at least in the FWD versions) and its rated power has long been surpassed by newer designs from GM and from other makes. I'd like to see GM apply the same fantastic technology in their new 300-hp direct-injected 3.6L to the Northstar -- and they'd have a true screamer.
 

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The new Northstar in the xlr, is vvt- and has 360 hp. (naturally aspirated)I would love some details on that.
It's rated at 320 hp and 310 lb*ft of torque. The Variable Valve Timing (VVT) was implemented on the RWD engines only. The FWD engines continue with the old ratings (which have fallen to 292 hp and 288 lb*ft of torque for the FWD L37).
 

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:stirpot: Comparing a Lamborghini (or Ferrari) engine to a N* is like comparing a fine Swiss mechanical watch to a Timex.
 

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The northstar has about as much in common with the lambo v12 as john force's funny car does with its factory mustang counterpart.
 

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I think that Lamborghini was producing those type of engines (V12, DOHC, Al block and heads) in the 70s. About 15 years before N*.

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I had an '85 Porsche 928 a 4 cam/32 valve aluminum 5.0 litre V8. Cadillac was rolling out 4.1 litre engines at the time. How many years later did the N* come out again?, and how many years till they got it right? Oh wait, they never did get it right did they?.
 

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I had an '85 Porsche 928 a 4 cam/32 valve aluminum 5.0 litre V8. Cadillac was rolling out 4.1 litre engines at the time. How many years later did the N* come out again?, and how many years till they got it right? Oh wait, they never did get it right did they?.

Four point nine.
 

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Kind of. Cadillac was first out with an American V-8 engine, but it was hand-built. Rolls beat them by 10 years in England, turning out their first V-8 in 1905. The most successful early V-8 was the 1932 Ford flathead. Cadillac and Oldsmobile both came out with "the first" high compression OHV V-8 engine in 1948/1949. Both argued about who was first. Oldsmobile always claims they were first. I'm sure Cadillac does the same.

Comparing what Porsche was doing to what Cadillac was doing in 1985 makes about as much sense to me as comparing Cadillac with Lamborghini.
 
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Comparing what Porsche was doing to what Cadillac was doing in 1985 makes about as much sense to me as comparing Cadillac with Lamborghini.
I totally agree with you BUT we were discussing the mechanical marvel the Northstar was when it made its debut. All I'm saying is that it wasn't exactly an innovative leap considering the technology was around for a long time already.
 

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Yeah. When did DOHC motors really come out? I always thought it was in the mid '70s somewhere in the Lamborghins and Maseratis. Anyways, it was pretty ahead of the time in 1993 to install a high output DOHC V8 into a luxury sedan targeted at senior citizens.
 

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:stirpot: Comparing a Lamborghini (or Ferrari) engine to a N* is like comparing a fine Swiss mechanical watch to a Timex.
What kind of drugs do you take?
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I have a Ferrari muffler on my northstar. It had some damage that I repaired. The muffler has absorbent pads built in to it.
I am not talking sound deaden-er.
They burn soooooo much oil.
They need the valves adjusted and a ton of maintenance just to put 5K on it a year.
The fuel injection is a joke, but it is OK because you own a Ferrari.
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It is an illusion.
If you worked on them all the time the illusion is gone.
I put my car together just on the principle of the Northstar illusion bringing top dollar.
 

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What kind of drugs do you take?
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I have a Ferrari muffler on my northstar. It had some damage that I repaired. The muffler has absorbent pads built in to it.
I am not talking sound deaden-er.
They burn soooooo much oil.
They need the valves adjusted and a ton of maintenance just to put 5K on it a year.
The fuel injection is a joke, but it is OK because you own a Ferrari.
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It is an illusion.
If you worked on them all the time the illusion is gone.
I put my car together just on the principle of the Northstar illusion bringing top dollar.
This is True.... Imports are not the best anymore.. They USED to be in the 70-80's.. But now the American cars have caught up.... You don't believe it? .. Then stop reading Consumer Reports and start working at an import dealer as an ASE certified mechanic, you'll learn real fast that the imports are not all what they are cracked up to be.....:thepan:
 
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Yeah. When did DOHC motors really come out? I always thought it was in the mid '70s somewhere in the Lamborghins and Maseratis. Anyways, it was pretty ahead of the time in 1993 to install a high output DOHC V8 into a luxury sedan targeted at senior citizens.
Like others have said, DOHC motors were around for a VERY long time. Not newer technology, Japanese have been doing it for a very long time and so have the Europeans. For American cars, yeah for '93 to have a DOHC V8 was new. The Mark VIII, Nothstars and the ZR1 is all I can think of. :alchi:
 
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