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Yeah, I saw that a while ago. I must admit it "looks" sweet but $40 large for Trailblazer?! Yikes! But I can live with that if the performance is there. Unfortunately, it seems like it won't be.
It sounds like Chevy obviously realizes they have a problem with the platform because they seriously de-tuned the output of the LS2 in this application. On top of that, if the numbers are even close, the 6.0 Liter Trailblazer SS will get SMOKED by the 6.1 liter Jeep SRT-8. The 0-60 times are a full second apart. That's a lot IMO.
So, Chevy does it again. Throws more trash on the SS name. What a shame.
 

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I think we should hold off til some real world tests can be done before we call this one finished. It might just end up surprising us.... Not likely mind you... but Im with the camp that thinks these are too close to call.
 

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I believe that the Trailblazer has a lowered ride height, resulting in a lower center of gravity. I think the SRT-8 is standrd ride height. I also believe that the Trailblazer is overall somewhat lighter in weight, which is another advantage.
Performance excluded, personal opinion of mine is that overall I like the looks of the Trailblazer alot better than the Gr Cherokee. Especially in the front which appears smoother. Have never been excited with the new(er) style mis-matched size headlights on the G.C. nor the gaping hole under the front bumper fascia on the SRT-8. I think the Trailblazer looks purposeful and nasty, in a good kinda way. 'Ya, I really like it ! Red Tag pricing on the thing cannot be beat ! $7,000 less than a Gr. Ch. for 1 second less 0-60 I can deal with!!
 

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I agree the Trailblazer SS looks great. Maybe even better than the Jeep, but I have not been real impressed by the overall quality of the Trailblazer ever since it came out.
Still, my biggest issue would have to be the apparent lack of performance. I agree that we won't know anything for real until it comes out but IMO, 1 second is enough in the 1/4 mile let alone in a 0-60 sprint. I mean hell, that's close to the difference between my FTS and a CTS-V, and in my book there's a HUGE difference between MY car and a CTS-V.
 

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Your right, that is alot of time to make up. I prefer the JGC over the Trailblazer style and reliability-wise though. The Trailblazer has never been to my liking.
 

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so, if I sell my 2003 Town Car Limited (I have a waiting buyer, at $24,000) and I buy a Trailbazer SS, I.....

1) Get kicked off of here
2) Lose all respect
3) lose credability, in all but donut tasting opinions
4) Will never be invited to a Cadillac meet.
5) Have to go into hiding

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I humbly apoligize for really liking the SS. I think it's very cool looking, has great power and I've never had a problem with Trailblazer quality in the units I bought for my used car lot, back in the day when it was just a "Blazer" ~
To my eye, the SS is sleek and smooth in contours, unadorned with too many bends & curves and - while possibly not as Macho as the G.C. it's more pleasing to me eye. The 1 second means little to me, as truth be told, I don't race anyone. The 400 HP / 400 TQ. is plenty for me. If, (I am not yet convinced, but If {it IS possible} that the G.C. is faster it'sokay with me. It's also $7,000 MORE $$.

I have found a loaded upon loaded one in stock. Sadly it's black, and I'd like white with black leather, but I think on Tuesday I will go & sniff it. (Tomorrow if the snow holds off).
I am willing to bet that it can & will blow the doors off ANY six cylinder Taurus....my goal ! :p
 

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Here is what I found, IN STOCK, yet !
'06 Trialblazer SS
Adjustable Pedals / SS Package / Memory Seat / Heated Power Ext, Mirriors with buil-in Turn Signals / Heated Seats / Theft Deterrent / Head Air Bags / Pwr. Moonroof / Bose XM Stereo & single Slot CD with Navagation / Rain Sensing Wipers / Cargo Shade / Rear Seat DVD Entertainment System / Leather Seating / Dual 8-Way Power Seats / Pwr. Lumbar / Leather Steering Wheel with Audio Controls / Rear Seat Audio & HVAC Controls / Split Rr. Seat / Driver Information System / Auto Climate Control / Cargo Mat / Ashtray & Lighter / 4-Wheel Drive / LS2 V-8 / P255/50R20" Rims V-Rated Tires / 20x8" Cast Aluminum Polished Wheels / Tire Pressure Monitor / Limited Slip Axle / 4.10:1 Axle Ratio / Performance Seats / Chrome Exhaust Tip /
Ebony Black with Black Leather & White SS embrioardy on Seats & Mats.
MSRLP is $ 43,845.00 Can buy it for $ 37,400 with Red Tag Deal. Can sell Town Car with 7,700 miles for $ 24,000 = Difference of $ 13,400 + $ 2,250 Sales Tax, or around $ 15,700 in "new" money..... 'Ya think ?

The SRT-8 adds $7,100 with less options (No DVD) Am I too OLD for such a toy ? Will I lOOk as dumb as a Senior in High School in a Buick LeSabre ??
 

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Sandy... I think youll look just fine behind the wheel of a TrailBlazer SS... If you like it thats all that counts. I saw a very nice older lady yesterday driving of all things... a Lexus IS, the kiddie tuner car!
 

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;) I ALWAYS admire a really good car salesman/woman :yup:
 

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Yeah, I saw that a while ago. I must admit it "looks" sweet but $40 large for Trailblazer?! Yikes! But I can live with that if the performance is there. Unfortunately, it seems like it won't be.
It sounds like Chevy obviously realizes they have a problem with the platform because they seriously de-tuned the output of the LS2 in this application. On top of that, if the numbers are even close, the 6.0 Liter Trailblazer SS will get SMOKED by the 6.1 liter Jeep SRT-8. The 0-60 times are a full second apart. That's a lot IMO.
So, Chevy does it again. Throws more trash on the SS name. What a shame.
Well Katshot, again you've stated a lot of things as fact, that just aren't so. It's fine to present facts as facts but not to present opinions as facts.
First, the engine isn't "detuned", the firewall prevented use of the GTO/Vette intake and they were forced to design one that is slightly less effecient, that's a fact not an opinion. Second 9 horsepower isn't "seriously detuned" in any case. By the way, maybe DCM has realized they have serious issues with the Grand Cherokee, since the SRT-8 version has been seriously "detuned" to a huge 5 less horsepower than it's SRT stablemates. The 0-60 times are GM mfg's estimates, which are notoriously conservative and based on the awd version, the 2wd version based on Silverado performance between 2wd and awd could easily be .7-.9! We won't know how well either performs until we get a few in people's hands. Next the TB has a 6500 lb tow rating for awd and 6700 for the 2wd, (Which by the way the GC doesn't offer), much more than the GC. That would be important to me, since my Donzi weighs 5800 lbs. on the trailer. AS for the TB, Envoy, et al having serious issues that would require detuning, what are they? The SS is lowered, has bigger brakes and much more on road handling tuned suspension.
As an example of the platform, last April 15th, my wife and daughter were broadsided in my wife's '03 TrailBlazer by a 40,000 lb firetruck that was going 50 mph. The TB was spun around into a telephone pole and then spun across a yard for over 100'. It didn't roll over, since it was a side impact the airbags didn't deploy. After the wreck, none of the doors would open due to damage on every panel. The floor was buckled in the middle and popped the console out. With all this damage the crumple zones worked perfectly and both walked away with minor injuries. MY wife now owns an '04 Bravada and loves it as well. I'm sure the Jeep is a great vehicle, we've owned several as stated in another thread, however I can't imagine it being that much better, especially considering the cost difference. Not trying to start a new war, but these are the kind of things that precipitated the last one.
 

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Sandy said:
so, if I sell my 2003 Town Car Limited (I have a waiting buyer, at $24,000) and I buy a Trailbazer SS, I.....
1) Get kicked off of here
2) Lose all respect
3) lose credability, in all but donut tasting opinions
4) Will never be invited to a Cadillac meet.
5) Have to go into hiding
New Paragraph:
I humbly apoligize for really liking the SS. I think it's very cool looking, has great power and I've never had a problem with Trailblazer quality in the units I bought for my used car lot, back in the day when it was just a "Blazer" ~
To my eye, the SS is sleek and smooth in contours, unadorned with too many bends & curves and - while possibly not as Macho as the G.C. it's more pleasing to me eye. The 1 second means little to me, as truth be told, I don't race anyone. The 400 HP / 400 TQ. is plenty for me. If, (I am not yet convinced, but If {it IS possible} that the G.C. is faster it'sokay with me. It's also $7,000 MORE $$.
I have found a loaded upon loaded one in stock. Sadly it's black, and I'd like white with black leather, but I think on Tuesday I will go & sniff it. (Tomorrow if the snow holds off).
I am willing to bet that it can & will blow the doors off ANY six cylinder Taurus....my goal ! :p

LOL!
Sandy, think of it this way, at least you'll be moving from a Ford to a GM product. That should make you MORE welcome here if anything!
And as for the thing about the 6-cyl. Taurus, you'll probably be okay as long as that particular 6-cyl. doesn't happen to be in an SHO! ;)
PS. If anybody's going to bust your stones, it might be your son since he drives a Jeep.
 

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Well Katshot, again you've stated a lot of things as fact, that just aren't so. It's fine to present facts as facts but not to present opinions as facts.
First, the engine isn't "detuned", the firewall prevented use of the GTO/Vette intake and they were forced to design one that is slightly less effecient, that's a fact not an opinion. Second 9 horsepower isn't "seriously detuned" in any case. By the way, maybe DCM has realized they have serious issues with the Grand Cherokee, since the SRT-8 version has been seriously "detuned" to a huge 5 less horsepower than it's SRT stablemates. The 0-60 times are GM mfg's estimates, which are notoriously conservative and based on the awd version, the 2wd version based on Silverado performance between 2wd and awd could easily be .7-.9! We won't know how well either performs until we get a few in people's hands. Next the TB has a 6500 lb tow rating for awd and 6700 for the 2wd, (Which by the way the GC doesn't offer), much more than the GC. That would be important to me, since my Donzi weighs 5800 lbs. on the trailer. AS for the TB, Envoy, et al having serious issues that would require detuning, what are they? The SS is lowered, has bigger brakes and much more on road handling tuned suspension.
As an example of the platform, last April 15th, my wife and daughter were broadsided in my wife's '03 TrailBlazer by a 40,000 lb firetruck that was going 50 mph. The TB was spun around into a telephone pole and then spun across a yard for over 100'. It didn't roll over, since it was a side impact the airbags didn't deploy. After the wreck, none of the doors would open due to damage on every panel. The floor was buckled in the middle and popped the console out. With all this damage the crumple zones worked perfectly and both walked away with minor injuries. MY wife now owns an '04 Bravada and loves it as well. I'm sure the Jeep is a great vehicle, we've owned several as stated in another thread, however I can't imagine it being that much better, especially considering the cost difference. Not trying to start a new war, but these are the kind of things that precipitated the last one.
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Who voted you the "post-police"? Are you nagging everyone else around here, or are you just following me around critiquing my statements?
As for my previous post(s), did you not pick up on my statements starting with words like "seems like" and "sounds like"? All pointing to the fact that my statements were certainly "subjective". I never stated anything as "fact". I did use the article that is referenced in the first post as a basis for my statements, and whether it is accurate or not remains to be seen. You want to hold me responsible for that too? I also mentioned that we won't know anything for sure until the truck is out on the market.
Then the rant about the platform being so great because of how it "allegedly" survived an accident that you have intimate experience with (interesting how you always seem to have a family member who owns or owned the vehicle in question), What the hell does that have to do with my mention of the platform? A Hyundai can survive an accident just fine but I doubt that means the platform can handle 400hp and 400lb/ft of torque. When people speak of the "platform" with respect to how it might be able to handle a specific engine output, I believe it's common to realize they are speaking more directly about the drivetrain, suspension, and frame's ability to handle the stresses associated with the power output, not it's durability in a crash.
Do me a favor and get off my back. I have better things to do than worry about whether my posts will pass muster with you.
 

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Again you rant and don't respond to facts, at least I find out your true intention, which is not to state fact but as usual to bash all that is GM. Don't bother to PM me again with your BS about how you just want to be objective and how I pick on you. You know that I will call you anytime you spread this crap!
How is the TB platform such as tranny, differentials, etc... any less capable than the same units used in SS Silverados, Escalades, GTO's and Vettes? You didn't respond at all to the fact that your statement about 'serious detuning', involved the use of as different intake made necassary by the firewall interference and not the drivetrain, and that the Jeep is also "detuned' compared to the other SRT-8's. Instead you start a rant about me picking on you, poor baby!
Stop being self righteous and just admit that your bias against GM gets in the way of honesty sometimes.

I mean you call 9 horsepower seriously detuned in the TB, but don't even address the 5 horsepower drop in the Jeep. Come on 'dude', it has to be one way or the other.
 

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Again you rant and don't respond to facts, at least I find out your true intention, which is not to state fact but as usual to bash all that is GM. Don't bother to PM me again with your BS about how you just want to be objective and how I pick on you. You know that I will call you anytime you spread this crap!
How is the TB platform such as tranny, differentials, etc... any less capable than the same units used in SS Silverados, Escalades, GTO's and Vettes? You didn't respond at all to the fact that your statement about 'serious detuning', involved the use of as different intake made necassary by the firewall interference and not the drivetrain, and that the Jeep is also "detuned' compared to the other SRT-8's. Instead you start a rant about me picking on you, poor baby!
Stop being self righteous and just admit that your bias against GM gets in the way of honesty sometimes.
I mean you call 9 horsepower seriously detuned in the TB, but don't even address the 5 horsepower drop in the Jeep. Come on 'dude', it has to be one way or the other.
My God, you just never quit do you? If I hadn't used the words "serious amount", would it have made you happy? If so, sorry, I take it back. Whether 9hp and 15lb/ft of torque is a lot or not is certainly up to the person you ask. In my mind it seems to be a decent drop but you feel otherwise. I'm fine with that Randy, really. If there's anyone who rants and doesn't respond to facts it's you though. I think I MORE than explained my statements but you seem to still want to continue to crucify me. I just wish I knew what your problem is. :cookoo:
 

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My God, you just never quit do you? If I hadn't used the words "serious amount", would it have made you happy? If so, sorry, I take it back. Whether 9hp and 15lb/ft of torque is a lot or not is certainly up to the person you ask. In my mind it seems to be a decent drop but you feel otherwise. I'm fine with that Randy, really. If there's anyone who rants and doesn't respond to facts it's you though. I think I MORE than explained my statements but you seem to still want to continue to crucify me. I just wish I knew what your problem is. :cookoo:
Then why is it a big deal to you that the h.p. was less in the TrailBlazer, but not an issue in the Jeep, or the fact that they didn't "detune" it at all but used a different intake for packaging reasons? Still you don't answer the question about what is wrong with TB platform, since it uses the same drivetrain parts as other high horsepower models. You make a big deal about how much the Chevy costs, but don't bother to state the fact that the Jeep is considerably more expensive. You make all these claims, then when it's pointed out to you that some are incorrect, instead of just saying, o.k., I could be wrong, you shoot the messenger. Whether the TB will be as fast as the Jeep, I don't know, but the TB/SS is a very nice package and cheap compared to the Jeep.

By the way, I have pics of the "alleged" accident, I will post when my son shows me how, again, hopefully tonight.
 
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