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Ian needs help buying a car. He's down to two. Both would be about $4000.


One is a 1995 Deville 4.9, one-owner North Carolina car with 79k.
-Well maintained with routinely changed fluids. The Deville received thorough dealer service and has the dealer records to prove it.
-The dealership where it was routinely serviced even treated the leather with mink oil.
-One-owner car purchased and serviced at Cadillac dealer.





The other is a 1995 supercharged Buick Riviera in Tampa with 105k.
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-Well maintained with routinely changed fluids, complete service records.
-Upgraded aftermarket audio.
-Wheels
-Possibly spent some time up north, a bad thing.
 

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If it were me, I'd take the Deville. It looks absolutely pristine; however, it looks like something my 75 year old aunt would drive, while the Riviera is more "youthful" (I say that in comparison to the Deville). Where in NC is that Deville? That neighborhood looks familiar, but then again all of them look the same.
 

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There's a chance I *might* be able to negotiate the Riv guy down to 3500 (I negotiated the Deville down from 4500, which had been reduced from 4900), but even with that difference I still love the APPARENT condition of the Deville.

I'm a condition whore. The Riv is AWFULLY nice too though and VERY tastefully modified.
 

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That DeVille looks spotless. I say buy both and sell one of the them to Chad. :histeric:
 

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Personally I'd avoid a '95 (and '96) Riv. The Series 1.5 s/c 3800 is tricky as it uses a whole computer system specific to those years, plus the car as a whole had quirks to it. At this point in age/miles I'd say it wouldn't be as big of a deal reliability wise, but I'd avoid it.

That DeVille OTOH.... wow. It just needs some Concourse fender skirts fitted with the base DeVille trim and that would be one sweet ride.
 

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I leased a Riv brand new in '95 & it was great. Drove it for 3 years & never had a single problem with it. fwiw
 

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DeVille. I'd never buy a '95 Riviera, no matter how clean it was. They had a lot of teething problems with those (and the Auroras) for the first few years. When I look at Rivieras near me, I narrow the search between '97 and '99. That DeVille is a much cleaner, better taken care of car. The DeVille is a one owner car with full service records. That sells it's self. The Riviera was modified with more modern wheels (ugly and cheap IMO) and the stereo was modified. To me that says someone younger owned it and didn't spend all the money on repairs/maintenance, but more "go fast/look good stuff", which is less important than the essential repair/maintenance.

Like Rick said, all that DeVille needs is the Concours' fender skirt extensions and a different set of OEM Wheels. Those base wheels never did anything for me on those 94-95 DeVilles. Either of the optional designs would look great.

Ian, come join us in the 4.9 deVille club. Besides, if you don't like it you'll only have it for what, two weeks? :lol:
 

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Why could I not find that 95 deville when I was looking, loads better than mine, I want it ;)
 

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Ian.. Have you ever had either? If so, then pick the other... While I'd definitely do a search to see if there are any others in better condition around the same price, out of those two I'd personally pick the Riviera... I've always had a soft spot for them of any generation - particularly the first and last.

If it's in nice condition and been well maintained, I'd have no aversion to picking up a '95-'96 model... I always get a slight chuckle whenever someone mentions avoiding a car due to things like "teething problems" (sorry Chad)... I mean, it's a 15 year old car for Christ's sake - any such problems will have been worked out by now through years of recalls, replacements, and repairs... Else the car probably wouldn't still be on the road.

But with all that aside... For 3500 bucks, you'll certainly be able to beat the snot of out it for another year or two... Especially if it's lasted 15 years and 105K miles already.

In the words of De Niro... "Do it.. Do it."
 

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Teething problems would have probably been fixed by now, but they still have a lot more reoccurring problems than a later year model. Plus, it's only a Series I S/C 3800, which doesn't make the power of the Series II. Granted, it makes more power than that 4.9, but if you're like me at all, you want the most powerful version available (aside from the Mercedes lol )
 

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Chad, the car was NOT owned by a kid. The guy is actually a surprisingly older gentleman to whom the Riv was his pride and joy. He has ALL of the service records for THAT car supposedly too, changed the Trans fluid at 56 and 95k supposedly, put those Enkei wheels and falken tires on it, upgraded the spark plug wires and on and on and on. The stereo equipment was TASTEFULLY replaced with quality components, not VR3 or WalMart garbage. Come on Chad, you know me better than to just buy some crap, or at least TRY not to.

Even when my budget was 2k I found the most healthy Seville I could and ACTUALLY found one with fixed H/Gs even though it wasn't the prettiest!

In any case, I thank you all for your opinions and have tentatively decided on the Deville. While the fun side of me would love to have the Riv (AND THE SOUND SYSTEM he put in it, Im a music freak) the thing Rick said about the Series 1.5 having very unique electronics scared me a bit and I really do love the way the Deville looks. Unfortunately Adam, I've NEVER had either a Deville or a Riviera so I wasn't able to choose the opposite lol. We'll see how it goes.

Agree 100 percent about the Deville wheels.
 

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I would've chosen the Deville as well. Now if the Riveria was a 97-99 with the Series II supercharged V6, well it would've been a no brainer. Cars with that motor are a pulley swap away from being a low 14 second tire fryer.
 

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DeVille FTW. The ride is far superior to any Riviera and it is way more comfortable. You will also be surprised by how much oomph it has. You will be very pleased with it. My '95 was the best car I have ever been in.
 

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You made a good (and quick) decision! You'll be happy with it!
 

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Maybe it is just me, but I wouldn't call simply swapping wheels "modifying" a car... I mean, it's just wheels.

Same with the sound system. Does putting $1,000 into a sound system add $1,000 to the car? No, it really dosen't add much value. But I'd still be hard pressed to call the car "modified" because someone put a different head unit or subs in. While I understand the mods/maintenance ratio may be true for a 16-y/o... I really don't see any substance behind the comment that a "modified" car has a greater chance of not being maintained.

Series 1.5 s/c 3800 is actually a Series I engine with a Series II s/c and a very unique computer/electronics system. *personally* I'd avoid one, but like I and others mentioned, if it made it this far, then chances are it's fine. Kinda like an HT4100, say what you will but if its still around now, then there is a good chance it'll be around for a while longer.

The worst part about the base '94-'96 DeVilles were the missing fender skirts giving it a very uncompleted look. It is not a direct swap, but you'd have to get fender skirts from a concourse, get them painted if a different color, then the door trim from a base model and cut it to fit, then apply it to the fender skirt. Makes the whole car look much better though.

As for wheels.... Mike has the right idea. This is Stoney's '94 DeVille before he added the concourse skirts:



17" newer DeVille "turbine" wheels.

It's interesting what a new, or upgraded from base model set of wheels can do to change a cars look.... window tint also has a similar effect.





^That was 4-6 weeks after I got my drivers license.... Got my first speeding ticket in that car 3 days after I got my license. Gah.... now I'm thinking about that car again.... something I haven't done in a while. Man there was alot of memories made with it

Actually, all this talk about 90's Cadillacs has gotten me thinking about them again. I've always really like the 1995 Eldorado ETC, in fact it was that very car I even thought about replacing my Coupe with in the past when I owned it, before I decided not to part with it. There is just some unexplainable charm to me in the 90's Cadillac tear-drop dash. Maybe still a posibility in the future.

Alright, /threadjack.
 
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