[t-rad]

For those who are interested in Jacking their ATS-V with a floor jack and jack stands, GM has made it difficult.
I have been researching before my car arrived, and today completed a brake fluid flush and pad exchange using floor jack, magnetic Jack Pads and JackPoint jack stands.

I initially had the dealer print out the service manual directions for the jack points. Below is the picture.

The document states, "Place the front lift pads on the rocker outer panel weld flange" and "Place the rear lift pads on the rocker outer panel rear cradle brace. "

For the front, here is a picture, pretty sure they are referring to the pinch weld at the arrow.

The problem is the pinch weld is inset higher than the adjacent rocker panel, so you cant use the standard hockey-puck type pinch weld adapter. (though you might if you saw off the edges so it is narrower).

So I found an adapter online that is made for Camaros and other cars, very nice product. Website is ZL1addons.com. I used the premium magnetic Jack pad. (I have no financial or other relationship with the company- just nice product). It fits the pinch weld perfectly, though is still inset.

So a standard flat hockey puck allows the floor jack plate to contact the base of the red Jack pad only. In the picture below, the jack pad is on the pinch weld, resting on a hockey puck on the deck of the JackPoint jackstand. (Another nice product - I used the recessed pad as the pinch weld pad would have lifted the rocker panel, not the pinch weld).

For the rear, I think the service document refers to the black brace with two edges (yellow arrows). Not sure how you use that, unless you set a floor jack pad across both edges. I thought that would bend. The adjacent pinch weld (white arrow) with the magnetic jack pad worked well.

The rear pinch weld is less inset, so easier to access.

Would welcome anyone else's experience, post if you have any different ideas. The pinch welds with Jack Pads worked well, though does require lining things up rather precisely. Even having the car up on stands, I can't find any easier places to floor jack from, not the mention a place to put standard jack stands. I know someone described lifted the front in the middle with a wood block - my floor jack would never fit below the carbon splitter.

 

[Chris09v]

Great info, thanks for posting this. With my V2 I would just pull the front tires up onto 2x6 blocks then I would be able to get the floor jack under the crossmember in the front. Havent tried it yet on the ats v but hoping it works.

 

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Once we get caught up, we plan on making billet pads for lifting this car as well.

 

[rjoffe]

Mike,

Any updates, did you make some billet pads ?

 

[rjoffe]

And documentation on Jack Stand locations ?

 

[NJATS-V]

Mike,

Any updates, did you make some billet pads ?

http://www.neweraperformanceparts.c...a-performance-alpha-body-rear-jack-pucks.html

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When lifting the 2013-2014 ATS and 2014 CTS Sedan on a hoist, the vehicle should be lifted so that the hoist pads and/or lift arms do not contact the rocker panel molding. Each hoist pad must be located in the designated area in order to prevent any damage to the vehicle. (Fig. 12)

Fig 12



In the front location, place the lift pads on the rocker outer panel weld flange. (Fig. 13)

Fig 13


In the rear location, place the lift pads on the rocker outer panel rear cradle brace. (Fig. 14) Ensure the hoist pad is inside the rocker panel molding cut out area (notch).

Fig 14

 

[rjoffe]

Thanks!

Looks like a bit of a pain to get the car up on 4 jackstand. Jack pads look like a good solution, but a bit pricey.

 

[NJATS-V]

Bottle jacks work good on the rear

 

[BRUT4L]

Help and Advice Needed: Removing a Tire From an ATS-V..............Yourself

I'm almost embarrassed to ask this.......almost.:hmm:

Next week I will have occasion to remove the tires from my 2016 ATS-V. This ain't my first rodeo but I don't see any lift points for a scissor jack or hydraulic jack. I cannot find any pointers in the owners manual on best practices for removing a tire. I found the required lug nut torque spec.

Has anyone removed a tire on their ATS-V and what did you find is the safest way in which to do it?

Many thanx.

 

[rjoffe]

Re: Help and Advice Needed: Removing a Tire From an ATS-V..............Yourself

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-ats-v-series-forum/783482-jack-points.html

referenced:

https://zl1addons.com/collections/j...-3-inch-pinch-weld-magpad?variant=27712440001

 

[BRUT4L]

Re: Help and Advice Needed: Removing a Tire From an ATS-V..............Yourself

Thanx rjoffe !!............I've never seen the Magpad before but it is perfect for the DIY approach.

 

[jguerdat]

Re: Help and Advice Needed: Removing a Tire From an ATS-V..............Yourself

I used those images from the first link to jack the car which worked fine. I have the carbon fiber kit so I don't know if it's different for those without but if I feel under the side skirts I can find a flattened area where each jack point is (they're seen in the line drawing). From there, I just felt my way to where I found a pinch joint of metal about 6 inches from the side (rear) or the flat area (front). I used a small, cheap floor jack with a hockey puck to prevent damage.

 

[BRUT4L]

Re: Help and Advice Needed: Removing a Tire From an ATS-V..............Yourself

I used those images from the first link to jack the car which worked fine. I have the carbon fiber kit so I don't know if it's different for those without but if I feel under the side skirts I can find a flattened area where each jack point is (they're seen in the line drawing). From there, I just felt my way to where I found a pinch joint of metal about 6 inches from the side (rear) or the flat area (front). I used a small, cheap floor jack with a hockey puck to prevent damage.

Thanx.........I just don't understand why the owners manual in the glove box does not address taking a tire off yourself w/ a diagram of where to place the lifting device.

I have a small hydraulic floor jack that will easily lift the ATS-V but I didn't feel comfortable not knowing for sure where the engineers designed in the ability to lift 1.000+ lbs at each corner w/o damaging something.

 

[PaulSch]

Has anyone used this procedure with a ‘17 V? I followed the procedure outlined here to swap my tires this past fall and every time I lifted each corner I’d get a loud pop. Clearly it shouldn’t be doing that, so I’m a bit nervous trying again to swap back to my summer’s. I used a floor jack with a hockey puck and a mag pad recommended above. Any additional advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[rjoffe]

I've had no problem jacking up with the mag pads.

 

[jeffcam1211]

Has anyone used this procedure with a ‘17 V? I followed the procedure outlined here to swap my tires this past fall and every time I lifted each corner I’d get a loud pop. Clearly it shouldn’t be doing that, so I’m a bit nervous trying again to swap back to my summer’s. I used a floor jack with a hockey puck and a mag pad recommended above. Any additional advice would be greatly appreciated.

The best solution IMO is to simply spend the couple bucks on the ZL1 Add-on adapter referenced above.

I have one and it works great. I didn't bother with the hockey puck and IMO it's not needed when using a floor jack.

 

[Leesrt]

I bought these and they work like a champ.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073SPYDFT/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

[pkincy]

The Fourth Gen Camaros were supposed to be jacked from behind the rear wheels using a reinforced pinch weld. I can attest to that absolutely not working without destroying the pinch welds if you changed the tires, brakes with any frequency. Think Autocross, HPDE, actual track work or even using winter and summer tires. I will be putting ceramic pads on this weekend to combat brake dust. I will see what I can find under there with a floor jack.

 

[Leesrt]

The Fourth Gen Camaros were supposed to be jacked from behind the rear wheels using a reinforced pinch weld. I can attest to that absolutely not working without destroying the pinch welds if you changed the tires, brakes with any frequency. Think Autocross, HPDE, actual track work or even using winter and summer tires. I will be putting ceramic pads on this weekend to combat brake dust. I will see what I can find under there with a floor jack.

Interested to see what you find. I'm also intrigued that you race the car but still want ceramic pads.

 

[tta1456]

First time I put my car on my lift I realized what a pain it was to get the car perfectly positioned so I could get the lift pads on the pinchwelds but also to not put any stress on the outer rocker panels. It's a very small window you have to hit to lift the car where GM wants you to without touching anything else.

It took me a couple tries to get the car centered on the lift so the arms didn't hit their stops before they were placed where they needed to be. I realized if it took me this long, no way is a dealer tech going to take that long to rack the car properly-- they'll probably just kick the lift pads under the car and go for it if they're "close enough." There's a GM dealer advisory for these cars stating that putting the rack pads in a place that contacts the rocker panels will pop the rocker panel clips and push the rockers upwards on the quarter panel and damage the paint. (You'd think if the car was tricky enough to rack to necessitate a service advisory to avoid body damage, GM would have added easier to access jacking points...)

I bought a set of 16-18 Camaro lift pads from ZL1 addons, the ones that attach to the pinchwelds and stay on the car. I did have to slightly enlarge the jacking point cutouts in the factory plastic rockers to get them to fit. The front pads worked as is, but the rear pads needed to be milled slightly to clear the thin chassis bracing on the inside of the pinchweld and also milled a bit for height, but the final result is 4x easy to access lift points that stick down about 1/4" below the rocker panels and are very easy to access.