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The story of every car guy's life. There's always something else that will catch your eye. Well I have this problem once again. I have been wanting a '94-'96 Fleetwood Brougham. This is not a car that I "need", it's purely a "want". My problem though, is I still love my Eldorado. In just a little over two and a half years I've racked up right at 42,000 miles now. All relatively trouble free. There have been a few minor issues to arise, but that's to be expected with any car, even something brand new. The Eldo is paid for, doesn't require any expensive repairs, still looks good, and just got a brand new set of tires less than two weeks ago. This is the longest I have kept any car so far (yes, I know how sad that is) and I still really enjoy the car. However that want still remains, and the only way I could get a FWB is to let go of the ETC.

So my question for you guys is this: For you personally, is it worth giving up a car that you know to be reliable and trustworthy, which you still enjoy, to venture back out into the land of IFs for a "want"?
 

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Have you got a new job yet? To me the Eldo is far more desirable than the Fleetwood. I would wait until I could afford both cars and then go for it. To get rid of a perfectly good car that you like, that is payed for, doesn't seem like a good move for a young guy with "iffy" cash flow!
 

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Yes, I got a new job in September. It's just "part time" but that doesn't mean I can't get 40 hours a week. I very much respect your insights and opinions orconn, but I'd really like for this not to just turn into a thread about my personal situation. I was just thinking that since it was on my mind it could make for something interesting to discuss on here. For instance, would you trade or sell your '95 STS to go back to something like another Alfa Romeo 164 knowing how good of a car the STS has been for you?
 

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We're not talking about a car loan, and we're not talking about an unreliable car. If you want a Fleetwood and you won't be laying out much cash, then get a Fleetwood. We are car guys, it's what we do.
 

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I know we car guys and this is what we do. The whole point is, do you rationalize and talk yourself out of it, or do you throw caution to the wind and go for the new toy?

I guess that line should have been in my opening...
 

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I know we car guys and this is what we do. The whole point is, do you rationalize and talk yourself out of it, or do you throw caution to the wind and go for the new toy?

I guess that line should have been in my opening...
No, you don't throw "caution to the wind" because it doesn't have to be a complete gamble either. If you want a Fleetwood then you wait patiently for a well maintained car to come along that fits your budget (or trade arrangement etc). Then and only then do you make your move. Now, if we were talking about dumping your ONE reliable Kathy for that old SEC? There would be a problem. Anything can be a lemon, but the Fleetwood's a tough car to get hurt with
 

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Austin, I feel for you man. I've been thinking of trading in the Brougham on a Miata. Yeah the Brougham has been the most reliable car I've ever had, but its pissing me off lately with all the squeaks and rattles, the broken sunroof, the warped rotors(already had them turned once), overall its just starting to feel its age. I think I'm just going to save my $$$ for another 6 months or so and just buy a cheap NA Miata and keep the Caddy, even though I could really afford a newer NB if I sold the Brougham right now.


As for your situation, do what you want IMO. Both a nice 94-96 FWB and your Eldo are worth similar $$$. You aren't going to find a super low mileage "MINT" FWB for under 5k, but something in that 60-110k mileage range is definetly do-able. As far as maintenance costs, the FWB will be a lot cheaper to keep on the road, barring a transmission rebuild(about $1700-2000 for that). I know you're a young single guy, but the four doors and huge back seat in the FWB makes it a lot more practical people mover than the Eldo.
 

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Although you stated that you'd like to keep your personal situation out of the discussion, it's a vital part of the equation since you admit you have to make a sacrifice to do this.

If you were doing this because you were an auto enthusiast with no bounds, you'd get the Fleetwood, keep the Eldo, and drive both. You admit you can't do that and only you know the reasons why. Those reasons can't be ignored.

Putting myself in your shoes and assuming some of your personal situation that you don't want to discuss, I'd keep the Eldo. It's delivering everything one could love about a car: you love to drive it, it's reliable, and it's not costing a lot to operate since it's paid off. It's ideal and I think you'd be a fool to give it up.

If you want a Fleetwood, I'd think about picking one up either when the Eldo no longer satisfies your requirements or when you can handle owning both.
 

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Considering I just got rid of my ETC, I might be biased. However...just because it's a B-Body doesn't mean you can't rack up repairs. My white RMW has just cost me $2K in 2 weeks between the headlights and the brake lines.

Not sure why you'd want a Roadmaster and a FWB -- IF you like driving the ETC as much as you do. Neither are going to drive as good as the ETC...
 

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Although you stated that you'd like to keep your personal situation out of the discussion, it's a vital part of the equation since you admit you have to make a sacrifice to do this.

If you were doing this because you were an auto enthusiast with no bounds, you'd get the Fleetwood, keep the Eldo, and drive both. You admit you can't do that and only you know the reasons why. Those reasons can't be ignored.

Putting myself in your shoes and assuming some of your personal situation that you don't want to discuss, I'd keep the Eldo. It's delivering everything one could love about a car: you love to drive it, it's reliable, and it's not costing a lot to operate since it's paid off. It's ideal and I think you'd be a fool to give it up.

If you want a Fleetwood, I'd think about picking one up either when the Eldo no longer satisfies your requirements or when you can handle owning both.
I don't mind talking about my situation, I just would like to get everyone's ideas on this. My main question is if you have a car that you like, but you think you'd like to have something else, do you try to rationalize the decision or just jump the gun and change cars without a second thought?

As far as my situation goes, it's no big secret. I work part time on an as needed basis. I might get 4 hours one week, I might get 40 hours one week. I never know. So, I don't have the spare money to set back right now to save up for a nice FWB. Well, any other vehicle right now. And I'm the kind of person that over thinks things sometimes. I really couldn't justify getting rid of the Eldo for any other reason other than I just want a FWB. But I don't know if the desire for one is enough to give up what I have with the ETC. Even with as long as I've had it I still think it's a beautiful car. I honestly think that body style is close to, if not the most timeless design Cadillac has ever come up with. I never get tired of looking at it and I never get tired of hearing the marvelous noises the N* makes or the amount of thrust that is called when I plant my right foot. I just don't know if I want, or can, give that up right now.

Considering I just got rid of my ETC, I might be biased. However...just because it's a B-Body doesn't mean you can't rack up repairs. My white RMW has just cost me $2K in 2 weeks between the headlights and the brake lines.

Not sure why you'd want a Roadmaster and a FWB -- IF you like driving the ETC as much as you do. Neither are going to drive as good as the ETC...
I know that neither will drive as well as the ETC, but I do enjoy driving the RM. I like how it's big, comfortable, and simple. I've heard that the FWB got a more controlled suspension than the RM so it should be as smooth but a little more enjoyable to run through a curve and I really like the thought of that. I think the Roadmaster handles it's size quite well in a curve as long as you keep in mind the heft of the beast you're behind the wheel of. If the Fleetwood can improve on that, even marginally, and still maintain it's big car ride plus the power of the LT1 I think I would be content. The problem is I'm attached to the Eldo.
 

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Not if the car as been maintained properly. Well, generally speaking. I've found one in FL that really has my curiosity peaked.
 

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I don't know. Waiting for them to email me back. It's a '94 that supposedly is a one owner.
 

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Mmm hmmm...
 

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I'd say go for it. The repairs will only kill you if you can't (or won't) DIY.

And unlike the N*, you CAN DIY fairly easily.
 

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Well regarding your work situation and it's variety of hours available, it's tough to feel truly confident when potentially spending big money on items you want. It's kinda the same way for me with the sales game. Some months are great, some are awful and it all reflects in my paycheck. I wish it was more consistent, but I've found that if you can live within your means, why not? What I do is during the great months, I'll either save a bunch of money for the slow months, or buy the things I want during the busy months, so I don't have to worry about it during the slow months.

The Eldorado will drive much better than the Fleetwood will, and I personally find the Eldorado more enjoyable to drive, whereas the 225.1" Fleetwood Brougham is quite cumbersome, especially in the city. It's all a matter of taste...some people prefer the large, soft, smooth Fleetwood to the smaller, sportier, quicker Eldorado. But with that being said, if everything else was the same between the cars (condition, miles, color) I'd rather OWN the Fleetwood because it's a much easier car to live with (only needs regular gas, much cheaper to maintain and repair, much simpler to work on). It's simplicity, reliability and ease of service would give me great piece of mind, even if it takes me 20 minutes to find a parking spot downtown big enough for it.


With that being said, I gave up a good car (92 deVille) for a want (99 S320) and got myself into a long and winding road of expensive and bizarre repairs, but a '94 FWB is nowhere near as maddeningly complex or as expensive as a W140.
 

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Sort of what Chad was getting at with the end of his post, he fact is that they are all machines, they are all subject to failure, and in the end, anything is a gamble.

On the topic of reliability, giving up a known reliable vehicle for another ASSUMED reliable vehicle isn't smart IMO. One owner or 5 owners, well maintained or not, a 15 year old FWB can be a money pit just like anything else. Hell, I have shirt tail relation who delivers his '92 RM to my driveway a handful of times a year. The car is an absolute pig if you ask me, and isn't what I'd call a benchmark setter for reliability. I've been trying to convince him to dump it as he also owns a 2001 Grand Marquis, which he enjoys more and has been a flawless performer anyway.

On the other hand, my uncles '94 Caprice has been good to him throughout his ownership, save for some body corrosion.

It really is a gamble. Our opinion is nothing but a guess. Yeah, the ETC could get expensive to repair if it comes down to chronic trouble, IF that time comes. It could begin this month, it may never come. You just don't know. At this point, it sounds like you have no reason to suspect it's near. Why give up something that's working for you?

Something to consider is that the newest FWB is now 15+ years old. Good maintenance and low mileage can't offset the effects that aging have on a car. Reliability and cost to repair WILL suffer as the years go on, even for well maintained variants.
 

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I think Austin meant the thread more as a general poll to see what others of us have done when faced with temptation in a similar situation... Have we taken the leap? Or have we passed on a car we think we would have loved because were worried it would leave us stranded?

In my case, I've taken that leap a few times, and most of the time it actually turned out well.

As for Austin, I've seen the '94 in question and it looks gorgeous.
 
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