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Yeah, I drove the Navigator and although it has anything you'd ever want toy wise, the ride is not that good still (meaning it's better than it used to be at least), and the engine is seriously labored. By contrast, the Aviator (very surprisingly) has a noticably smoother ride, better handling, 5-speed auto, and WAY better power ( strangly higher power output than the Nav). All that, and virtually identical styling and options for 10K less. I said SOLD!! The dealer called a couple hours ago to tell me that the truck is in (they had to get one from another dealer to get the color and options we wanted), so hopefully tomorrow, I'll be driving it to work. GOOD-BYE GMC DENALI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POS spent more time at the dealer than in my driveway, and GMC has no business selling premium vehicles anyway. They have no clue how to handle that type of customer.
 

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Yeah, I drove the Navigator and although it has anything you'd ever want toy wise, the ride is not that good still (meaning it's better than it used to be at least), and the engine is seriously labored. By contrast, the Aviator (very surprisingly) has a noticably smoother ride, better handling, 5-speed auto, and WAY better power ( strangly higher power output than the Nav). All that, and virtually identical styling and options for 10K less. I said SOLD!! The dealer called a couple hours ago to tell me that the truck is in (they had to get one from another dealer to get the color and options we wanted), so hopefully tomorrow, I'll be driving it to work. GOOD-BYE GMC DENALI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POS spent more time at the dealer than in my driveway, and GMC has no business selling premium vehicles anyway. They have no clue how to handle that type of customer.
what color & options? They have great reviews. I'd buy a aviator over an explorer anyday, but then again, aviators cost more.
 

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the CTS is a hit and in the next couple years, all Cadillacs will look like CTSs. Remember, you heard it here first.
Ummm, no kidding. There is pretty ample evidence in the form of Escalades, SRX, XLR, STS spy shots that they are headed that way.



I liked the Aviator, but I couldnt get over the interior. It looked nice, but the silver plastic? in the center console turned me off a bit.

I just put a deposit down on an '04 X5
 

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what color & options? They have great reviews. I'd buy a aviator over an explorer anyday, but then again, aviators cost more.
Black w/parchment interior. We wanted every option except the rear entertainment package (no little kids anymore), but I may be stuck getting it too. The salesman called and said the truck had ALL the options and started to say something about the DVD and stopped. He knows we didn't really want it, but this one MAY have it anyway. Who knows? There's NOT a lot of them out there so pickin's are sparce.
 

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Ummm, no kidding. There is pretty ample evidence in the form of Escalades, SRX, XLR, STS spy shots that they are headed that way.



I liked the Aviator, but I couldnt get over the interior. It looked nice, but the silver plastic? in the center console turned me off a bit.

I just put a deposit down on an '04 X5
Nice truck but in my case, it'll be driven by the wife most of the time so SHE's gotta like it. And she doesn't like the Euro look. Besides, I'd want to get it loaded, and on an X5 that gets rather pricey. I wanted to get a Lexus to be honest, but the RX doesn't have a 3rd row seat, the LX is more money than I wanted to spend, and the GX being based on the 4-Runner, rides rough and to be honest we both think it's ugly. I wouldn't mind waiting for the SRX but knowing GM, I'll just be getting another POS that spends too much time at the dealer. I think I'll let that one go for a year or so before I buy (probably should've waited in the case of the Denali too). There's really not many SUVs out there in the price range I was looking at. Especially when you take GM and the Euro stuff out of the equation. Ford, DC, and the Japanese are all I had to look at. Hell, I liked our last Ford, the Expedition was reliable and solid. If the Navigator had just riden better in '01, I'd have it now instead of the Denali. Damn shame, the Denali was a great vehicle when we got it. In my estimation, the best bang for the buck at the time.
 

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Its funny how you go out with all this money to spend, thinking 50-60k will give you all the choices in the world, and then very quickly it comes down to 1 or 2 things.

Im staying away from Nav systems and things like that, so the X5 is suppose to be around 58k, not great but i'll live
 

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Its funny how you go out with all this money to spend, thinking 50-60k will give you all the choices in the world, and then very quickly it comes down to 1 or 2 things.

Im staying away from Nav systems and things like that, so the X5 is suppose to be around 58k, not great but i'll live
Yeah well, I'm gonna guess you're also not getting 4.6is either.
When I priced out an X5 I was close to 70K list, 63 and change invoice. That's just too much for me to spend on that little truck. It's hot looking and all, and it IS a BMW, but there's a limit to what I'll pay for that stuff. To be honest, if money was no issue and my wife's opinion didn't matter, I hate to say it but I think I would still get the FX45. :rolleyes:
I just love the look of that thing. Believe me, I'm certainly not saying it's worth what they're asking. But if money was no option............

And you're SO RIGHT about going out with 'X' amount of money to spend and finding out you have very few choices. :(
We wanted to stay under 60K and were shocked how fast the field of posibilities shrunk. It's like that Auto Trader ad on TV where they start out with this HUGE field of cars and then it gets smaller everytime the guy states one of his parameters. But still one would think that for 60K you would EASILY find a vehicle you like.
 

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Yeah well, I'm gonna guess you're also not getting 4.6is either.
When I priced out an X5 I was close to 70K list, 63 and change invoice. That's just too much for me to spend on that little truck. It's hot looking and all, and it IS a BMW, but there's a limit to what I'll pay for that stuff. To be honest, if money was no issue and my wife's opinion didn't matter, I hate to say it but I think I would still get the FX45. :rolleyes:
I just love the look of that thing. Believe me, I'm certainly not saying it's worth what they're asking. But if money was no option............

You're right. I'm getting the 4.4i. Actually, since it's going to be a 2004 there will be no 4.6is. The 4.4 is getting bumped to 315hp and a 4.8is will be coming out at the end of next year. Which means I had no temptation to splurge.
 

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Funny you should mention that about the '04 changes. I JUST read the article in Automotive News last night. It didn't mention anything about a 4.8 though. Sounds NICE.
One question though, how the hell are you comfortable in that X5 when you've mentioned in many posts about how big you are? The cabin's kind of cramped to me.
 

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Funny you should mention that about the '04 changes. I JUST read the article in Automotive News last night. It didn't mention anything about a 4.8 though. Sounds NICE.
One question though, how the hell are you comfortable in that X5 when you've mentioned in many posts about how big you are? The cabin's kind of cramped to me.
I was surprised myself. The biggest problem I have with interiors is where my right knee makes contact with the console, and the way its shaped on the X5 its a real comfortable fit. In fact, the X5 was more comfortable than the 745(which has a column shifter, but still a console :rolleyes: ). I got maybe 1/2-1 inch clearance for my head, so as long as I dont grow my hair out I should be ok there.

The info for the 4.8 came from a BMW website, that was linked to a german magazine interview with a BMW guy, that said the 4.6 would be replaced by the 4.8. I found it thru a search and can't seem to find it, but as I recall, they didnt say anything about hp numbers, just the fact that it was coming at some point
 

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Bring back the thing I like most about the old Caddys; That road eating, tire spinning, rear end blowing, big block.With the lighter weight of the newer body designs and without the very high cost repair items like computer controlled struts...Rear wheel drive would be nice also. I love the interiors the way they are and body styling is also is also already beautiful in my view
 

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Forgot to mention, maybe a different shaped combustion chamber than the old 425/472/500 design. One with canted valves, so anyone wanting to work them out themselves has room in there for much larger valves than the old design
 

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Going back to "big-block" large displacement engines would be REAL risky for anyone at this time.
Also packaging would be difficult and unless you use a rear-mounted trans axle like in the Vette, weight distribution would certainly be an issue for the chassis guys. I agree that there's little that can replace the feel of those old engines but technology IS coming up with some strong possibilities. Thanks to variable cam timing and forced induction systems, a small engine CAN give pretty monsterous power down low and up high in the rev range.
 

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You have to stop being in such total agreement with me all the time Kat, people will start to talk...Actually I learned to drive on a '66 Electra with one of those monster Buick engines and to me that's what made an American car what it was.It's like the difference between our NASCAR and their F1.(Not that I particularly like Nascar or dislike F1).I know their little pistons speeding along at 14,000RPM make a lot of HP. Hell, my Suzuki 800 V twin makes nice power, but there is just something about cubic inches."There's no replacement for displacement".
 

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Sorry Angela, I just call 'em like I see 'em. It's pretty easy to see that you're not only very knowledgable but level-headed too. That's something I have to respect.
As for the ol' "deuce and a quarter", hell yeah, THAT's some power. I remember years ago, having to do a double down-shift on my Honda 750 to beat a guy in a Buick 225 w/455 when going from a 70mph punch on the highway. It was ALMOST embarrassing. ;)
 

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Of course you could then add technology to a large displacement engine....or put a big block in something like an AC cobra....so theres still no replace.............doh, i think we've been down this path. It ends up with me bashing AWD and Kat telling everyone they are wrong :)
 

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Ah, the memories........ :p
 
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