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You open a small Dodge dealership, in 1983. The dealership grows, and in 1993 you are able to add Chrysler. You have 20 years left on the mortgage to own your building. You are NOT on some mega expensive highway, nor do you stock 300 cars in stock. You privately own your franchise. All of the money invested into it is private funds, 90% of YOUR money. There is no underworld money in your store. Now, it's 2006 and you are doing 45-55 cars a month, pretty steady, except maybe for December.
You have a decent reputation in town, and many repeat customers. You have given to every chairity to come thru your doors, never turning anoyone away.
Your kid is in college. It's $25,000 @ year. Yesterday, you get a letter from Mother Mopar.... you ar now outta business !! Your inventory will be picked up by transporters. thank you for year s of service. Good Bye.

I never ever though (after working as a salesman, selling Dodge cars/trucks since 1968, until I left the business in 1985) that I would say this, but....I say it from the heart, and in all kindness and righteous respected to the power brokers at Mother Mopar...
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>>>>>> F. U. Mother Mopar <<<< You are now where you belong, with FIAT. Ha ha ha ha your with Fiat ! Even Renault would not have you !!! Ha Ha Ha. You put 800 dealers outta busniess yesterday. 800 families will suffer. 800 families have no income 800 familes are still repaying loans - loans to buy their buildings in which they sold YOUR products. 800 familes paying off $$$$$ still owed to you for your franchise.

You have ALWAYS treated your dealers like warmed up, left over dog food and your dealers have always treated their salesmen like garbage and with all this distain for one & other, you really expected to be successful ? HOW?



LIKE your cars.....you have NO SOUL. Happy Fiating !
:thumbsup:I feel ALOT better now!:thumbsup:
 

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Merge this with the Richmond Cadillac dealer question thread close by and you'll wonder how the U.S. car businesses will survive. Some of us remember the old "Made in Occupied Japan" logo on absolute postwar junk. Welcome to "Made in The People's Republic of China by your loving GM employees".
 

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In the end, it's a whole lot more than 800 families. And now GM follows suit. :nono:
 

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Yesterday, you get a letter from Mother Mopar.... you ar now outta business !! Your inventory will be picked up by transporters. thank you for year s of service. Good Bye.
I heard on the news today that its even worse than that. Chrysler is sticking the dealers with all the inventory so they will have to find a way to sell it all at auction. What a bunch of *******s.:nono:
 

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That is what I heard as well. Maybe they are picking up cars that the dealer has not payed for yet. I forget the term, but I know they can get them on credit for a month or so.
 

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I heard that all the new cars that the closed Chrysler dealers have in their inventory are being sent to auctions. So for other dealers, it's time to get a brand new Mopar product for DIRT CHEAP!

It really hit home when I saw that a dealer in a small town in Minnesota (BOE Chrysler in West Concord MN with a Population of 763) that I cold-called on for work on Tuesday is being closed by Chrysler.

Here's the article from the Minneapolis paper:

18 Chrysler dealers to close here
DEE DePASS, Star Tribune

The gas runs out next month for 18 Minnesota Chrysler dealerships, most in outstate Minnesota, that are among 789 dealerships nationwide that the automaker says it must close to survive.

Chrysler submitted a 40-page list of pending closures to a bankruptcy court judge Thursday in response to government demands it dramatically shrink. Chrysler officials said many dealers on the list had either the wrong location, too few sales or competed so fiercely against each other that they dragged down prices.

The closures, scheduled to occur by June 9, represent 25 percent of Chrysler's roughly 3,200 dealers nationwide. Economists estimate 42,000 dealership jobs could be lost in the closings, not counting thousands of related jobs at suppliers and ancillary businesses that depend on spending by dealership employees.

The closings in Minnesota could eliminate about 1,000 dealership jobs.

Scott Lambert, spokesman for the Minnesota Auto Dealers Association, said his members are dumbfounded that their independent dealerships are being targeted in cost-cutting efforts.

"We are not the problem," Lambert said. "Our dealers own their own property, buy their own cars, and they pay for their own signs. So we are a cost-free distribution system," he said. "This is being driven by a bunch of Wall Street bankers."

Dealers can appeal Chrysler's decision. The targeted businesses could still try to stay open selling used vehicles or those made by other manufacturers.

Most of the Minnesota dealers Chrysler targeted are small operations in rural areas, or they are among those that don't sell the company's three brands -- Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep -- under one roof. Those listed in or near the Twin Cities include Stillwater Motor Co. and Fury Dodge Chrysler in Lake Elmo.

Fury Dodge General Manager Jim Leonard said he was meeting with employees Thursday and planned to "see what will happen" now that Chrysler has made its decision public. Fury Motors, one of the largest Chrysler dealers in the state, also operates a large store in South St. Paul, which won't be affected.

Others identified for closure include: BOE Chrysler Center in West Concord, Factor Motors in Le Center, Mason Motors in Excelsior, Nereson Automotive Jeep in Detroit Lakes, Marchant Motors in Spring Valley, North Star Garage in Milaca, Pen Motors Inc./Miller Hill Chrysler Jeep in Duluth and Paul Busch Auto in Wabasha.

Two stores owned by Brad Skytta are on the list: Sonju Two Harbors and Iron Trail Chrysler in Virginia. Also listed are Salem Motors in Crookston, Salmon Motors in Tracy, Scott-Preusse Inc. in Redwood Falls, Scholtes Auto World in Worthington and Wally's Auto Service in Orr.

Chrysler also listed the already-closed Denny Hecker Chrysler Dodge Jeep operation in Pine City.

Although Chrysler included Walser Bloomington Motors in Hopkins on the list, owner Paul Walser said it will remain open and "it will be business as usual." Walser said his store made the list only because Chrysler assigned it two dealership codes after he bought the Hopkins operation from David Luther awhile back. Chrysler is merely dropping one of the codes.

Seventeen Wisconsin dealerships made the list, including Chilson Inc. in Eau Claire, Darrow Automotive in Menomonee Falls and Johnson Motors in St. Croix Falls.

According to Chrysler's bankruptcy filing Thursday, about 2,392 Chrysler, Jeep or Dodge dealers are expected to stay on with Chrysler once it merges with Fiat to form a new company in a plan that is subject to court approval.

Walser, who is one of Minnesota's largest auto dealers, said he sympathizes with dealers that must close. But he added that Chrysler's list is "not as deep as feared. So there is less damage here than a lot of people expected."

Chrysler dealers aren't the only ones facing uncertainty.

General Motors is expected to announce, possibly as soon as today, that 2,600 of its 6,200 dealerships will be targeted for closure. GM's list may not be made public, however, as it's not in bankruptcy court, and publicly releasing the list outside a court proceeding could hurt dealers' chances of winding down in an orderly manner.

Hundreds of dealers and their related professional organizations showed up in Washington, D.C., this week to protest the pending closures.

"A rapid cut of dealers is a bad idea," said John McEleney, chairman of the National Automobile Dealers Association. "This would have adverse effects on the auto industry and hurt an already struggling U.S. economy," McEleney said. Taken together, the pending dealership closures by GM and Chrysler could result in as many as 200,000 Americans losing their jobs, he said.

Some dealerships, such as those owned by the Dondelinger family, anticipated that they might be targeted for closure. The Dondelingers announced last month that they would voluntarily shut their General Motors franchise operations in Little Falls, Pine River and Wadena.

But many other Minnesota auto dealers cling to hope that they will be spared.

"It will be devastating," for those targeted, said Paul Rubin, who owns GM franchises in Belle Plaine and White Bear Lake. "We buy our own real estate. But if overnight they say you have no car dealership ... then you have no cars to sell and you will default on your property because you can't pay your $80,000 monthly payment," Rubin said. "It's a scary proposition."

Rubin said he expects GM first to "select the low-hanging fruit," closing those 500 dealers who sell only one to five new cars a month. Then it will probably lose another 500 when it shuts or sells its Saab, Hummer and Saturn brands. Another 500 owners will probably quit their franchises, he said.

"They will want to knock out another 1,000 sometime in the next year and a half," Rubin added. "I don't really think they will send a letter out and cancel them immediately. But they may send a letter that says that when the contract is up in 2010, we don't intend to offer you another contract."

GM says the government, which fronted the automaker billions in bailout money, wants severe cost cuts.

"The government requires that we be a viable entity even in this market, which is the worst that the automakers have seen since World War II. Yet they say you have to be profitable," said GM spokesman Peter Ternes. "That means that everything has to be downsized to that new model. And that means you can't have too many plants, or too many brands."

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The local Pontiac-Buick-GMC dealer, a rather large one at that, closed. One day the lot was full of cars, then gone the next. Now just weeks/a month later, grass/weeds are growing up thru the blacktop.
 

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Interesting. Did you do any research as to why? I wonder if maybe they were really good at pissing off/dissatisfying customers? That's another big reason why dealers close.
 

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Chrysler built garbage and people stopped buying it. Not shocked.

Unfortunately, the CNN site says my preferred dealer, Reuther Chrysler-Jeep, is closing. That family-owned dealer also owns a Ford lot, so they'll stay in business even without Chrysler.

Unfortunately, this place will remain in business:
 

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The local Pontiac-Buick-GMC dealer, a rather large one at that, closed. One day the lot was full of cars, then gone the next. Now just weeks/a month later, grass/weeds are growing up thru the blacktop.
Interesting. Did you do any research as to why? I wonder if maybe they were really good at pissing off/dissatisfying customers? That's another big reason why dealers close.
Probably the same reason that Lawrence Marshall Chevrolet closed recently; they were a HUGE dealership with hundreds of vehicles in stock. Unfortunately, they depended on high-volume sales and those are nonexistent anymore.
 

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Interesting. Did you do any research as to why? I wonder if maybe they were really good at pissing off/dissatisfying customers? That's another big reason why dealers close.
No idea why. I only stopped there a few times to look at some cars (when they were closed, to avoid salesmen), then I test drove a Solstice GXP there (hence the BMW - fulfill the role, but [much] cheaper) and finally another time to see if they could order Isuzu parts, since GM owned Isuzu at the time, the answer to that was a no.

I guess their website is still up:

http://www.eddiewiggins.gmpsdealer.com/

As far as I know, they haven't moved to another location either.

They had a whole bunch of new G8's there too.

Looks like all 3 of the local Chrysler (Jeep/Dodge) dealers are sticking around some.

I've lived here 2 years now, I've been meaning to get a picture of the local Chrysler dealers sign, for Sandy.... tho maybe he will feel different about it now.
 

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As a 22 year old male, I've usually had better luck with small, family owned dealers. They're usually not as pushy to get the sale done. There are exceptions to the case, but my two worst dealership experiences both happened at larger dealers.
 

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Sandy, I don't blame you one bit for how you feel. Despite the bad rap car dealers and car salesman get — and no doubt some deserve it — we also know there are people like you and Tony and Ewill3 who do (or did) a good job for your customers.

The dealership where I bought Sabrina is a small, family-owned Cadillac/Buick/Pontiac/GM dealership in a small town that's been around since 1940. I hope they're not one to get the axe.
 

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Not really getting the outrage here whatsoever... I've always been a Mopar-fan, I've owned my fair share of their products over the years, and I'm saddened by their current state of affairs, but again... What's the point of this outrage?

Can we say... "blind overreaction?"

Yes, it is a shame for these 800-dealers... but hello.... it's called business - there's always risk involved and one should never, ever get involved in business and put their entire life on the line if they're somehow incapable of realizing that. No one put a gun to their head and made them open up a dealership and no one ever guaranteed them success through perpetuity.

It's no secret that the market is over-saturated with domestic dealers and has been for quite some time - within about 15 miles of me, there's something like 5-6 Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge dealers... double that radius and there's three times as many. So again... why the outrage?

Oh wait... Here's an alternative - Let's have Chrysler keep those 800 dealers just so to not hurt anyone's feelings or anything and then 12-18 months from now, we can have them send out a letter to all 3200 dealers saying that the company is ceasing to exist altogether... Would that be a better outcome?

Either way, just because Chrysler is terminating their licensing/franchise agreements with these dealers, doesn't mean they have to go out of business completely... If they were smart, they wouldn't have put all their eggs in one basket to begin with, but even then they can always try to become a franchisee of another manufacturer... Especially if they pride themselves on their service and status within the community. Then again, if they're getting axed it's probably because they already have pretty low volume and/or their area is especially over-saturated relatively speaking.

With that said... I realize there are a lot of emotions here Sandy, but there's absolutely no reason to let them get the best of you or to somehow take this personally... It's just ridiculous. There's no need for such outrage... Nor do I quite understand your sentiments with regard to Fiat - which again is kind of ridiculous as it's shaping up to have much more potential than that ill-fated cluster-fck with Diamler. Unless you're using some outdated, decades old impression of Fiat, the truth is that they're much, much better these days than they were years ago. They sell a lot of cars and decent ones at that... Especially the ones which Chrysler needs to take advantage of - that being small, efficient cars. Even if they were still plagued by the problems of years' past... It's not like they could be any worse than say... a K-car.

If nothing else... Were you to insist on not taking in the entire situation by realizing it's 2009 and not 1969, in lieu of overreacting... Then why only such outrage towards Chrysler? GM is not renewing contracts with hundreds more dealers that Chrysler... Where's the outrage there?

Or could it just be that you have much more of an emotional connection with Chrysler than you do with GM....
 

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To me, it's not so much the culling of dealers, which is undoubtedly necessary. It's the cold, clinical way it's being carried out. Yeah, that's business, but it's still a shabby way to treat people.
 

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What is different about that dealer's sign that you mention back a few in this topic? Does it have IMPERIAL on it ?????
Yes.....For sure, I have a HUGE attachment to MOPAR. I sold (at one time, or another) all of their brands. I started with MOPAR, because GM & Ford would not hire me because I had no experience. So, F-mm, and I stayed with the one that gave me the break. It was 1968. In 1973 I left to open my own used car lot. I was under capitalized and then the gas crunch and I closed up. Went back to Imperial-Chrysler-Plymouth after 4 years with Dodge. In 1975 I switched to Dodge/Dodge Truck AND I-C-P store. They were a rip 'n tear (R&T) house where we were made to double-rape each customer. Not my bag, having every person I sold, hate me, so I left to go to an Oldsmobile dealer. a SLEEPY old fashioned place, I was told not to submit any deal to the manager, UNLESS it showed $1,000 profit. Needles to say, I left there pretty fast. Back to I-C-P- (a different dealer) that seemed to have brains in their head. I stayed with them until 1985 or 1986. The owned passed away away and the widow sold all the land to McDonalds to make a McDonalds.
I then hooked up with THE Dodge dealer in my home town and stayed there until I retired, in 2004.

My immediate family and also extended family ALL bought and drove Imperials, all through the 60s & 70s. They were all either Drs. - Lawyers or Judges. I was the black-sheep, but I bought Imps, as well, having a 1968, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1976, 1982, Then I switched to Cadillac, with my 1993 Sixty Special. My employer never saw my 11 year old Caddy - which stayed home as I drove a used car off the lot to go back 'n forth to work.
Over the years in the fifties my parents made ALOT of money with Chrysler Stock, so, they too were very Chrylser Corp. fond. My late Mom made Thanksgiving every single year for all the family extended and further extended. We usually had 6 to 9 Imperials in the driveway and another 3-5 on the street. I sold 90% of them.

I trust that answers your remarks.
 
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