[car_fan]

The newly released CT4-V/CT5-V will have 320hp/369ft-lbs / 355hp/400ft-lbs respectively. Cadillac would have been better off calling naming them V-Sports. Relish in the fact that the stock in our cars just went up. I will admit the smaller CT4 doesn’t look bad.

 

[SmoovC]

I like the looks of both, and will reserve judgement until C&D, MT, and the like publish real world test results.

 

[Neutrocuted]

Doesn't the stock, across all platforms 3.6 have 320 hp?

 

[justanotherguy]

I was a bit surprised as well , the 'new V cars' are powered about the same as the 3.6 cars...?

V cars, to me, are rip snorting , in your face brutes... The CTS V....wow.. never tested a 465 hp ATS V though

these seem...anemic....

and I dont like the looks myself.. They look a bit 'boxy'

 

[DriveOn]

It’s all about torque and alot of it available at low RPM. Might be fun.

 

[DriveOn]

Has anyone heard how much these cars weigh?

 

[425c10]

Torq = launcher hp numbers don't mean as much they can bounce that up to what ever with direct inject . It's about the 400+ ftlbs torq . That's pretty crazy . Guys with old big blocks live in that world for years . There problem was weight .

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[IndianaMike]

A V badged Caddy with 320 HP? Reminds me of when GM threw in the towel in the early 70's and rolled out so called GTO's with 200 HP. It's the sign of a retrenchment and proves our cars were the 2nd highest performance car Caddy ever made or possibly will EVER make. Seems Caddy does not have the money or inclination to match or surpass BMW any more and that makes me sad.

 

[IndianaMike]

I was a bit surprised as well , the 'new V cars' are powered about the same as the 3.6 cars...?

V cars, to me, are rip snorting , in your face brutes... The CTS V....wow.. never tested a 465 hp ATS V though

these seem...anemic....

and I dont like the looks myself.. They look a bit 'boxy'

The ATS-V is a sneaky fast little viper.

 

[car_fan]

Been watching some of the commentary on the release. Apparently, GM “claims” that they are going to introduce higher performance variants later. So essentially these two cars are “V-Sport lites”. But apparently, GM in all of its infinite wisdom decided to discontinue the V-Sport trim. Not saying these cars won’t perform but should they be classified as a full “V//“? Who am I to say. But I would say save for some updated tech bits (super cruise, relocation of the mirror camera, knobs instead of full haptic touch, etc) the CT5 is decontented compared to the CTS. No tri-zone climate, rear exposed cup holders in the armrest, no full digital dash, no Recaro seat options, etc.. I would also endeavor to say that the CT5 is engineered to be softer overall. To “ehhhh hmmmm -cough” attract a broader audience.

All that being said they might perform pretty well. Decent torque numbers for both the CT4-V/CT5-V. That CT4 looks like a made over shrunken ATS - right down to the side view mirrors

 

[Neutrocuted]

Sad days are coming for Cadi. Can you say Cimarron-V?

 

[justanotherguy]

Sad days are coming for Cadi. Can you say Cimarron-V?

omg i had that thought yesterday... lmao

 

[JTS97Z28]

Doesn't the stock, across all platforms 3.6 have 320 hp?

Earlier 3.6 models had 320hp, starting in 2016 the new LGX 3.6 has 335hp.

 

[JTS97Z28]

I think the opposite...Sad days AREN'T coming for Cadillac. Its no different than ANY other manufacturer who now offers big boy models ontop of the big boy models. I think the toned down new V models are gonna be good sellers, and the die hard high HP guys will still have the serious model V which hasn't been unveiled yet. Sad days have already been here for Cadillac. Look at how terribly their vehicles have sold. The current V models and our V sport all had ridiculous production numbers. Sure they weren't intended to necessarily be high production vehicles, but look at the Hellcat. I see more Hellcats on the street than ATSV, CTSV, and CTS V sport combined by like 30 to 1. They are moving in the right direction. Nobody here with except to like one or two guys want to buy a new 100 grand CTS lol.

 

[martinm]

I think the opposite...Sad days AREN'T coming for Cadillac. Its no different than ANY other manufacturer who now offers big boy models ontop of the big boy models. I think the toned down new V models are gonna be good sellers, and the die hard high HP guys will still have the serious model V which hasn't been unveiled yet. Sad days have already been here for Cadillac. Look at how terribly their vehicles have sold. The current V models and our V sport all had ridiculous production numbers. Sure they weren't intended to necessarily be high production vehicles, but look at the Hellcat. I see more Hellcats on the street than ATSV, CTSV, and CTS V sport combined by like 30 to 1. They are moving in the right direction. Nobody here with except to like one or two guys want to buy a new 100 grand CTS lol.

The CTS V-Sport was the right choice for me. It was in between the standard 3.6 CTS and the CTS V. At 100k, the CTS V was more than I wanted to spend on a performance car. The V-Sport was almost half the price of the V and much more power than the standard 3.6. The V-Sport is a "Sleeper" car and surprises those guys in the Hellcats, Camaro SS and even the Audi S5. Big time fun in the V-Sport!!! I even beat a 2015 Mercedes S550, ha ha!!!

 

[brock9334]

What I don't understand is from reading about the "new" V series cars is that Cadillac is looking to remake the "V" name. So here I go on my take.
1) The "V" series has been well defined since the first gen CTS as the total badass car. What needs further definition on the subject of ultimate power performance and luxury?
2) Take a look at the numbers on the CT5 V, it is using the 3.0 twin turbo that offered 400hp/400 torque in the CT6, but is now down to 355 horse wtf. While this platform may have less mass to move why decrease the horsepower.
3) The CT4 starts with 2.7 inline 4 from the GM trucks? Yikes.
4) While the V-Sport never sold in huge numbers, in either platform the XTS or CTS, I think the new offerings should have been called V-Sport.
5) Cadillac should have extended the V-Sport offering to the XT5, the 3.6TT worked in the front drive platform of the XTS with the addition of all wheel drive. That would have increased the market space of the V-Sport branding on a higher volume selling platform.
6) Cadillac is trying to remarket the V badge, and who knows what they intend to call the actual performance model. In my view what GM and Cadillac are doing is just setting the whole brand back big time.

I remember when the CT6 with the new V8 first hit it was called V-Sport, then became V, this I can understand a bit. As they could have added a V6 with turbos to be the V-Sport in that range of car. After all the car had the 3.0 TT already for its entire run.


Cadillac if you are listening please see the error of you way right now, everyone in the performance car world knows the "V" badge is the biggest bad a** Cadillac, what you need to do is shore up the V-Sport badge across your volume selling lines. While the V-Sport badge did not sell in huge numbers you made the mistake of only offering in product lines that were losing market share everywhere.


The way I see it very simple fixes here, add the V-Sport trim to the following:

XT4 gets the 2.7 turbo called a "V" or V-Sport based on performance, if it works make the 3.6 v6 a V Sport.

XT5 based on above figure out a way to offer a "V" or V-Sport option

XT6 rinse and repeat.

Do the same with the next gen Escalade.


Those are your volume sellers, let the current branding carry over, then build once again while low volume V series and V-Sport series performance sedans.

There is no need to reinvent the wheel here.

 

[car_fan]

Car and Driver: Jan/2020 10 Best Comments re: Cadillac "CT5"

"They've taken out all that was good about the ATS and CTS and added nothing to the mix".......

Wow need anything else be said? Its also likely that the newer car (CT5) will not age as well as the 3rd Gen CTS either. Who is Cadillac/GM marketing to? Cadillac has essentially "IMHO" alienated a large percentile of 3rd gen CTS (especially CTS-V & V-Sport ) owners at least those that truly appreciate the engineering effort and resulting performance dynamics of the CTS/CTS VSport/CTS-V. At the least, design wise, they should have adapted the"C" Pillar from the Escala concept, as that SCION side window treatment should have been a non starter. Personally I would like to get a Pedestal Edition CTS-V at some point. After that, unless something changes I guess it will be "a wrap" for me new Cadillac sedan wise. Next Gen Escalade? Maybe - we'll see how it turns out.

Rant Over.

 

[duneless]

The CTS V-Sport was the right choice for me. It was in between the standard 3.6 CTS and the CTS V. At 100k, the CTS V was more than I wanted to spend on a performance car. The V-Sport was almost half the price of the V and much more power than the standard 3.6. The V-Sport is a "Sleeper" car and surprises those guys in the Hellcats, Camaro SS and even the Audi S5. Big time fun in the V-Sport!!! I even beat a 2015 Mercedes S550, ha ha!!!

Ive run with all the same cars before. Most think I have the straight V until I pop the hood or they hear the car. I am keeping this car unless I die from a rear end lock up.