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tonight i just took the tonya off and installed the volant. how did i live without it? i love it, it's perfect...only complaint is the lack of mounting to the wheel well like the stock box and k&n rigs. i cut some custom foam and inserted it between the back of the box and the wheel well for a snug fit. no wiggle now. also cut the plastic front curtain to allow for a much better air flow...

man what a difference...
 

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CTS V6 3.6 said:
so the volant makes a much better difference? does it sound better? is it faster then w/ the TonyA??
Placebo power!:D
The upcoming Dyno runs will tell the story. I haven't calculated the area of the second intake on the Volant as it has an irregular Shape. The TonyA is a 3" round circle. To look at it, the circle looks bigger.
Another feature of the TonyA is in the Service Dept..the Volant Box might send up a red flag where the tonyA uses the OEM box. I only point that out as we have some members who worry a lot about their warranty.
 

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RobertCTS said:
Placebo power!:D
The upcoming Dyno runs will tell the story. I haven't calculated the area of the second intake on the Volant as it has an irregular Shape. The TonyA is a 3" round circle. To look at it, the circle looks bigger.
Another feature of the TonyA is in the Service Dept..the Volant Box might send up a red flag where the tonyA uses the OEM box. I only point that out as we have some members who worry a lot about their warranty.
You know, I've noticed that a lot...but realistically wouldnt the service dept be more accepting of a big-name aftermarket part like the Volant as opposed to our beloved TonyA? Would that really void the waranty if you did choose to replace/modify the intake, so long as a filter was still in place? If thats an issue, why dont they also void the waranty on your powertrain/suspension/brakes when you put aftermarket wheels on? Theoretically a larger/heavier wheel and tire combo should put more strain on these components than the stock set-up.

As for the size of the holes for the TonyA mod, I used a dremel to cut a larger area hole (about 3"x4" rectangle) in the side than the 3" circle specified in the directions. I also drilled more than 35 holes on the inside like the picture showed. Therefore different people's TonyA boxes may turn out different numbers, depending on the number and size holes they cut.

I guess once we get the results from the "Great Air Intake Challenge", we'll have to send someone back to the dyno with several different TonyA boxes.
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DDS rollin a CTS said:
As for the size of the holes for the TonyA mod, I used a dremel to cut a larger area hole (about 3"x4" rectangle) in the side than the 3" circle specified in the directions. I also drilled more than 35 holes on the inside like the picture showed. Therefore different people's TonyA boxes may turn out different numbers, depending on the number and size holes they cut.

I guess once we get the results from the "Great Air Intake Challenge", we'll have to send someone back to the dyno with several different TonyA boxes.
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Volant? I never heard of it until this Forum. I did the K&N. Both IMO suggests to the service guy the driver is a spirited one. Warranty? arguements both ways. I don't see it as a problem myself.

35 3/8" holes equate to the same area as the 3" hole according to my HS math. Any more than that really serves no purpose IMO. The Dyno run will not reflect any ram boost if any either. You only need the one TonyA box if its done right.

Ody made an interesting pic that shows the extra distribution of the intake air at the newly drilled air holes. I think Ody said the filter had 30,000 miles on it but it's perfect for showing the new distribution.:thumbsup:
 

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could be placebo power, i'm not disregarding that...but after trying the 3 intakes i'm thoroughly satisfied. i still want to see the dyno but doubt i'll change anything for a 1/4 HP, which is what i think it will come down to...max maybe 1.0-1.5 HP difference...

warranty: i don't think they can deny you warranty for sections unrelated to the intake system, but they might give you a hard time if you have problems with something that IS related...thats why i keep a stock airbox around to throw in should it need to go to the dealer.

i like the air intake on the volant better, it's much more positioned to to accept free flowing cooler air from behind the grill versus the 3" circle on the tonya behind the headlight assembly. when i looked through the grill i could see the scoop clearly, whereas the tonya hole is more obstructed. since both have the pre-cut round hole to the quarter panel, those don't count...

just my take on the situation...
 

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RobertCTS said:
Placebo power!:D
The upcoming Dyno runs will tell the story. I haven't calculated the area of the second intake on the Volant as it has an irregular Shape. The TonyA is a 3" round circle. To look at it, the circle looks bigger.
Another feature of the TonyA is in the Service Dept..the Volant Box might send up a red flag where the tonyA uses the OEM box. I only point that out as we have some members who worry a lot about their warranty.
You don't think the warranty department will have a problem with the a non-stock 3" hole in the side of their stock oem box?
 

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if they knew it was there, they may. what robert was saying was that it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to see the 3" hole drilled on the outside. as for the smaller holes and air-hog, thats all internal...so chances are they shouldn't be poking around in there. with the k&n or volant, you know as soon as you open the hood...
 

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btw, for DDS...i messed with the tube from the k&n...you can probably make it fit on the stock airbox but it really needs to get tweaked. i had to use the stock pipe for the volant (which was disappointing) because the stock tube is much more malleable. the k&n is stiffer than hell and unless you're dead nuts...forget it.
 

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I agree the Volant box looks a bit better. But the OEM box can be dressed up a bit. Like you said the differences will probably be small. K&N advertises 15HP. That's a bit optimistic IMO. My biggest point if this is true, why anyone would be willing to unneedingly spend the extra $200. It's wasteful IMO. I'd rather apply that $$ to something like my cross drilled slotted rotors.:yup:
 

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DDS rollin a CTS said:
You know, I've noticed that a lot...but realistically wouldnt the service dept be more accepting of a big-name aftermarket part like the Volant as opposed to our beloved TonyA? Would that really void the waranty if you did choose to replace/modify the intake, so long as a filter was still in place? If thats an issue, why dont they also void the waranty on your powertrain/suspension/brakes when you put aftermarket wheels on? Theoretically a larger/heavier wheel and tire combo should put more strain on these components than the stock set-up.

As for the size of the holes for the TonyA mod, I used a dremel to cut a larger area hole (about 3"x4" rectangle) in the side than the 3" circle specified in the directions. I also drilled more than 35 holes on the inside like the picture showed. Therefore different people's TonyA boxes may turn out different numbers, depending on the number and size holes they cut.

I guess once we get the results from the "Great Air Intake Challenge", we'll have to send someone back to the dyno with several different TonyA boxes.
DDS: If you had used properly sterilized dental equipment in a 'medically approved manner' the warranty should not be affected. :histeric:
 

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TripleOught said:
3"x4"??? you better be careful no small to moderate woodland creatures make their way to your airbox.....
Anything larger than a 1/2" hole and they'd have all the access they need. The small ones at least.

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DDS: If you had used properly sterilized dental equipment in a 'medically approved manner' the warranty should not be affected.
Of course, I wouldnt have it any other way!

AznPrydeRegalRyde said:
You don't think the warranty department will have a problem with the a non-stock 3" hole in the side of their stock oem box?
Probably only if your demanding a new airbox under waranty.

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btw, for DDS...i messed with the tube from the k&n...you can probably make it fit on the stock airbox but it really needs to get tweaked...the k&n is stiffer than hell and unless you're dead nuts...forget it.
Cool, thanks for checking it out for me.
 

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..the Volant Box might send up a red flag where the tonyA uses the OEM box. I only point that out as we have some members who worry a lot about their warranty.
My dealer/service dept recommended and installed my volant....No warranty issues...
 

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Just save the original filter box and if the car dies remove the Volant and put it back on. This will guarantee you that you wont have any warranty issues.

I saved all my original parts (Wheels/Tires, Air Box, Radio, Etc.) and if I decide to sell the car I will put all the original parts back in and sell my aftermarket products.
 

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RobertCTS said:
Small critters burn good in the combustion chamber!!:D
Ahhh, but a critter is an incompressible fluid, unlike your fuel/air mix. Internal combustion engines don't like incompressible fluids like water and critters :sneaky:
 

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Ahhh, but a critter is an incompressible fluid, unlike your fuel/air mix. Internal combustion engines don't like incompressible fluids like water and critters :sneaky:
Judging by the last road-kill cat I saw, critters can definately be compressed! And the only way I'll get water in there is if I try to tour downtown New Orleans!
 
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