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The 94 Fleetwood, I just picked up, is going to need tires sometime in the next year. I know the 235 70R15, are hard to find. There's usually someone on ebay that has them (for a short time) but there usually out if CA and the only dealer that sells them, and an off brand. So that's not real good if I have an issue.

I know quite a few guys go for 235 75R15. It's an OK tire but, it's a truck tire and that's what it looks like.

I'm thinking about 225 75R15, which is stock for the RMW. They are readily available.

Check this out, plug in 235 70 15 and 225 75 15.

https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc?tires=235-70r15-225-75r15

There's not much difference.

Anyone run 225 75R15? Pictures? I'm pretty sure I have a set kicking around. I may put them on to give them a look see.

thanks

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It's a sad subject. The 225's might be an acceptable work around on your car if you don't mind the skinnier look. I have run 235/70r15's on my Seville forever and if I can't get another set I'll either sell the car or go full hot rod and buy mag wheels for it lol. If you do find some 235/70's let us know where you found them.
 

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In the next few days, I'll throw on a set I have kicking around. I know there a little bit narrower, but I think that would be better than truck tires.

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With the internet you can get about any tire available.

Granted you may not get the latest model.
I got a set of Kumo Solus TA11 in the correct size for under $80 each on Amazon.
Walmart online if you want the same seller to install.

No complaints. I don't dive in snow. Can't remember last time it rained.
Seemed to have a good pasenger car tread pattern.
Rubber not too hard. No noticable rooling tire noise.
Sidewall seems to be holding up.

If I wanted to pay more for a better brand name I would search General, Cooper, & BF Goodrich.

The tire diameter is only 1 part of the concideration.
The 225 you would loose some tread width.

More importantly with these cars is tire load capacity.
Even the same tire size the the tire weight capacity can very.
Go the highest weight rating as these are heavy pasenger cars.
For the Komo's:
225 Load rating index 100 (1754 lbs)
235 Load rating index 103 (1929 lbs)

95 Curb weight 4478
Gussing front / rear weight ratio 65/35%.
That's 1455 lbs on each front wheel on flat pavement.
Factor in a hard turn, sloped pavement, & / or braking can overload weak tires.
Not sayiny it will blow out. Just overload and roll on the sidewalls.
It would cause woorse handeling, sidewall wear & cracking.
 

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You check out Discount Tire Direct or Tire Rack? I think even Walmart has that size.
Those are probably in blackwall.

I'm a WW only man on my full size RWDs. For a while Hankook made a 235-70-15 in WW, but no longer. I have a set of 5 on the 1996b Fleetwood but they are getting old. They still make a 235-75-15 in WW.

BTW 235-75-15 is Not a truck tire size it's the modern sise for 1976 and earlier full size Cadillac including ElDorado. I have a set of Hankooks in that size on my 1968.

I would use 235-75-15 instead of 225-75-15. if you can't find 235-70-15.

You can always get a set of Diamonbacks, but they are pricey. They use either Toyo orBFG Goodrich as the base tire and will put any size whitewall you want.
 

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BTW 235-75-15 is Not a truck tire size it's the modern sise for 1976 and earlier full size Cadillac including ElDorado. I have a set of Hankooks in that size on my 1968.
Sorry Mike, those are truck tires. Google: 235 75r15 truck tires

I wish they weren't, I may end up using them, but I hope not.

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Whitewalls? That's why you're having a hard time. They went out in the 90's.

Cooker tire makes a whitewall but it's $185 each.
They specialize in restroation dated styles.
Coker Tire

There are whitewall stickers available.
IDK if they would last that well.
Stickers

Back in the day there were people that would come to a dealer and grind in white walls.
Here is a video.
Adding whitewalls

I would just go blackwall myself.
 

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Whitewalls? That's why you're having a hard time. They went out in the 90's.

Cooker tire makes a whitewall but it's $185 each.
They specialize in restroation dated styles.
Coker Tire

There are whitewall stickers available.
IDK if they would last that well.
Stickers

Back in the day there were people that would come to a dealer and grind in white walls.
Here is a video.
Adding whitewalls

I would just go blackwall myself.

I know you're new on the forum, but if you don't understand the whitewall thing on Fleetwoods, you don't get it.

We all know about the pricey Coker and Vogue tires. Nothing new there. We're always on the hunt for moderately priced WW tires.

Blackwall tires on a Fleetwood, I hope you're not serious.

Just out of curiosity, what do you have for a Caddy? I don't think I've seen you mention any.

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If you want a factory orignal show car down to the correct finish on every nut & bolt.
The propper sheen of black under the hood.
Orignal casting / stamping marks on every part with the proper date code.
Crayon marks and stickers to the last detail like when the car was brand new.
My hat off to you as that can be a hudge undertaking.

Don't think I seen anyone here to that level.
No so much asking how to restore the old water pump to keep the orignal casting.
Asking what the orignal part number on the alternator or where to find an orignal starter produced in the same month as their car.

More here with drivers and weekend cars. Trying just to keep them running, warning lights off, brakes working, and assories fuctioning. For the latest version they're are undervalued compaired to the Impalla. That's why people buy em. Good, solid, big, RWD American car. Not for the whitewalls.

In the late 80's whitewall tires slowly were on the way out.
Along with 14" & 15" rims. Same fate with hubcaps.
Starting with blackwalls for the performance option.
Many times Goodyear Eagles.

At some point it reached a tipping point.
When only Econo boxes, econo trucks, & luxury cars without handling options had whitewalls.
Cadillac long gave up on the whitewalls.
Many restros also modernized with blackwalls.

Go to All Collector Cars in association with Barrett-Jackson.
Almost 1/2 the Fleetwoods have blackwalls.
Many of the whitewalls may just be orignal or very old.
Collector Cars

Look at SEMA 2019 this week.
Didn't see a single narrow 1.6" whitewall.
They are out.
Some wide whitewalls on much older vehicles.

A Cadillac day before opening.
Wide withewalls.
LED headlight, remote trunk & door locks.
Dropped. Modern antena on roof.
Backup sensors.
Probibly a lot more modifications with looking.

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The last whitewalls on Cadillacs were the El Dorado and Seville up to 2002 or so (2004 for the Seville). They came with the Michelin 16" small WW on them. I had a 2000 El Dorado convertible with them. Real nice looking and driving car.

But the last traditional full size RWD was the 1996 Fleetwood.

Diamondbacks are a decent alternative to coker or vogue.
 

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This is why it's a sad subject. Caddy's look like crap with cheap blackwall tires. Not many want to pay the crazy prices for Coker tires. I hope somebody makes one in our size soon.
 

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Best I could find was $131 each for 235/75R15 Maxxis 3/4" whitewall tire
That's a taller 75 series.
I thought I remember the last Fleetwoods were listed with 75 or 70 serries.
Don't know if it's the tire catologs combining close sizes or if they also came with 75's.
3/4" whitewall
 

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1993-1996 Fleetwoods came with 235-70-15 tires in S, T, or H speed ratings, depending on options. Michelin and Goodyear were the most widely sourced OE tires for these cars.
 

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If you want a factory orignal show car down to the correct finish on every nut & bolt.
The propper sheen of black under the hood.
Orignal casting / stamping marks on every part with the proper date code.
Crayon marks and stickers to the last detail like when the car was brand new.
My hat off to you as that can be a hudge undertaking.

Don't think I seen anyone here to that level.
No so much asking how to restore the old water pump to keep the orignal casting.
Asking what the orignal part number on the alternator or where to find an orignal starter produced in the same month as their car.

More here with drivers and weekend cars. Trying just to keep them running, warning lights off, brakes working, and assories fuctioning. For the latest version they're are undervalued compaired to the Impalla. That's why people buy em. Good, solid, big, RWD American car. Not for the whitewalls.

In the late 80's whitewall tires slowly were on the way out.
Along with 14" & 15" rims. Same fate with hubcaps.
Starting with blackwalls for the performance option.
Many times Goodyear Eagles.

At some point it reached a tipping point.
When only Econo boxes, econo trucks, & luxury cars without handling options had whitewalls.
Cadillac long gave up on the whitewalls.
Many restros also modernized with blackwalls.

Go to All Collector Cars in association with Barrett-Jackson.
Almost 1/2 the Fleetwoods have blackwalls.
Many of the whitewalls may just be orignal or very old.
Collector Cars

Look at SEMA 2019 this week.
Didn't see a single narrow 1.6" whitewall.
They are out.
Some wide whitewalls on much older vehicles.

A Cadillac day before opening.
Wide withewalls.
LED headlight, remote trunk & door locks.
Dropped. Modern antena on roof.
Backup sensors.
Probibly a lot more modifications with looking.

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Fleetwoods has 15 inch wheels and no bigger till 1996. Hardly being on their way out.
 

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Tire Rack comedy show: When entering the tire size for the Fleetwood or Deville, they automatically show Light Truck and Off-Road tires for 225/75/15 :ROFLMAO:
 

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If you want a factory orignal show car down to the correct finish on every nut & bolt.
The propper sheen of black under the hood.
Orignal casting / stamping marks on every part with the proper date code.
Crayon marks and stickers to the last detail like when the car was brand new.
My hat off to you as that can be a hudge undertaking.

Don't think I seen anyone here to that level.
No so much asking how to restore the old water pump to keep the orignal casting.
Asking what the orignal part number on the alternator or where to find an orignal starter produced in the same month as their car.

More here with drivers and weekend cars. Trying just to keep them running, warning lights off, brakes working, and assories fuctioning. For the latest version they're are undervalued compaired to the Impalla. That's why people buy em. Good, solid, big, RWD American car. Not for the whitewalls.

In the late 80's whitewall tires slowly were on the way out.
Along with 14" & 15" rims. Same fate with hubcaps.
Starting with blackwalls for the performance option.
Many times Goodyear Eagles.

At some point it reached a tipping point.
When only Econo boxes, econo trucks, & luxury cars without handling options had whitewalls.
Cadillac long gave up on the whitewalls.
Many restros also modernized with blackwalls.

Go to All Collector Cars in association with Barrett-Jackson.
Almost 1/2 the Fleetwoods have blackwalls.
Many of the whitewalls may just be orignal or very old.
Collector Cars

Look at SEMA 2019 this week.
Didn't see a single narrow 1.6" whitewall.
They are out.
Some wide whitewalls on much older vehicles.

A Cadillac day before opening.
Wide withewalls.
LED headlight, remote trunk & door locks.
Dropped. Modern antena on roof.
Backup sensors.
Probibly a lot more modifications with looking.

View attachment 574350 View attachment 574351

They did A LOT of work on that car. No chrome around the windshield or rear glass.

Fitting the back-up sensors into the rear... I would have done it differently.. but, their car and their ideas.

Very subtle resto-mod for sure! Awesome!
 
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