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tomm said:
The 8500 x50 will have a flash available soon for KU band since it will be used in US next year.
So you're tellin me I will be able to reflash and update my Radar Detector?

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thebigjimsho said:
I'm not threatened by POP. It's a flawed way of measuring speed and I'd show it in court if an officer ever tried to hit me with POP to then verify with a conventional gun. The only reason V1 designed a POP sensitive detector was because they'd get slaughtered in the marketing department if they didn't. Like most issues in speed enforcement, what the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public(Quote from Zelinsky, the Auto Parts King--Tommy Boy).
Your missing the purpose of POP. POP is used to see who is speeding and once they get their reading the SAME POP gun will hit you with a conventional radar signal and you will not have any warning. There is nothing that you can use in court to fight the POP reading because they will not issue you the ticket from the POP reading but rather the conventional reading that will quickly follow.

This would have the same effect as if the officer was just sitting there waiting for a car that looked like it was speeding and then used instant on to hit you. In this case he is just using POP to make sure you are speeding before he hits you.

If you have ever seen a POP gun you will see it is a conventional radar gun that has a POP mode. They will hit you in the POP mode and then follow it with a regular hit.
 

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koop said:
So you're tellin me I will be able to reflash and update my Radar Detector?

Holy Crap! :thepan:
The units are upgraded by the factory only. Register your product and you will be informed when upgrades would be needed.
 

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tomm said:
Your missing the purpose of POP. POP is used to see who is speeding and once they get their reading the SAME POP gun will hit you with a conventional radar signal and you will not have any warning. There is nothing that you can use in court to fight the POP reading because they will not issue you the ticket from the POP reading but rather the conventional reading that will quickly follow.

This would have the same effect as if the officer was just sitting there waiting for a car that looked like it was speeding and then used instant on to hit you. In this case he is just using POP to make sure you are speeding before he hits you.

If you have ever seen a POP gun you will see it is a conventional radar gun that has a POP mode. They will hit you in the POP mode and then follow it with a regular hit.
what the problem is that his probable cause is based off the erroneous POP reading. I would shoot down the erroneous POP reading like I would an officer not observing the car for at least a 1/4 mile. Whatever the case, the V1 does now pick up on POP crap and either way, I'm never paying for a ticket.
 

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thebigjimsho said:
what the problem is that his probable cause is based off the erroneous POP reading. I would shoot down the erroneous POP reading like I would an officer not observing the car for at least a 1/4 mile. Whatever the case, the V1 does now pick up on POP crap and either way, I'm never paying for a ticket.
I am just stating the facts and if you feel you can beat the ticket then more power to you. As far as the V1 it can detect POP Mode on 2 radar bands like everyone else from the older POP guns but it CAN NOT detect the POP Mode from the newer MPH guns that operate at a much higher speed. You can ask Mike Valentine or anyone else and they will tell you that as of right now the is no stable way to detect it.
 
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I just recieved a brand new V1 with POP last week as my old unit(1997) was stolen.

The new MPH Z35 radar ups the ante. My V1 might need to be upgraded soon. :)Couple of things that work againist the Z35:

-Z35 is used stationary only, cannot be moving.
-Z35 Hand held, the likelihood of a cruiser stopped along side of the road in the same direction of travel is rare.
-Z35 does not use DSP that previous generation radar uses which can select which lane they want to montior.
-Z35 only tracks the strongest or largest target(trucks show up over cars)
-No information if Z35 POP can be used to measure traffic in both directions as the officer sits.

tomm, POP is K or Ka. There is no difference in the frequency which will make it detectable in the future if it is not currently. Supposedly to make newer POP detectable, more false signals will be detected by a detector. If thebigjoeshow can beat regular radar on the street or in court he has no threat of POP. POP does not use a computer to track a history of sample readings used to verify a "locked on" speed. Rocky Mountain Radar uses the same prinicple in their jammers. They are not actually jamming the radar, but confusing the computer sampling and not allowing a locked on speed. Ask me how I know! An officer maybe able to turn off the computer sampling or listen to the doppler frequency while the radar is being used and a detector will be recieving the signal the whole time.

When caught sleeping at the wheel I have ask for a locked on speed when stopped, the officer gives some excuse that I seen you flying faster than surrounding traffic or the nose of your car dived('99 Regal GS - read soft suspension) and they say your using a detector as they look into your car. If it is local I will go to court to at least drop the points.

Which leads me to the question of why twice, once in Indiana and once in Michigan recently, my V1 picked up two(2) sources when being zapped by an oncoming officer? Maybe be POP?

Norm - who has used a radar detector since 1986.
 

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Norm,

You and I are both from the Communist state of Ohio and we are the killing fields for LIDAR and radar troopers. The fact that the Staties have yet to adopt the POP is more an indictment of its apparant shortcomings. LIDAR will continue to be the weapon of choice for the Troopers due to its high reliability in court, ability to be aimed very accurately and its rapid rate of speed measurement return. The POP is too fast even for the computers of the POP guns themselves to be reliable. That is the core of the POP fight. If it were reliable, then the POP guns would be out en masse and in use, however their lack of crediblity/accuracy is why we wont be seeing them anytime soon here. If youre using a V1 (or most other type of detector) youll get a nice series of instant on bursts as the cars in front get lit up and probed giving even the most novice of users plenty of time to get in line and avoid the coupon givers.

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Actually thinking about being POP'ed then radared for lock-on just adds to to the prey's time to react if you add it all up. :)

If the MPH Z35 is truly undetectable, then it will be only time before the detector industry catches up. When shopping for a detector you really need to find one that is upgradable overtime to stay up on the latest counter technology. I have owned a V1 since '97 and have upgraded three times. And the cost easily covers tickets and artificially rising insurance premiums.

Actually OSP is not that bad as they spend most of their on the freeways and not in citys. NY State police are everywhere, anytime I have been through twice in the last two months.

I bought V1 becuase of it's excellent X-band range compared to others. Aside benefit were the dual recievers(front & back) with arrows to tell the direction of the source. The arrows will really show how radar can get bounced off of road signs and bridges.

Norm
 
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