I guess if that's the case then I'm not really a member yet? hehe. Anyways, I've just recently been captured by the CTS rage, and I'm liking that car more and more everytime I see it. So much more that I'm ready to purchase one. I just have one problem. I want a Navigation System and a MT. So far I've had no luck in my search and my local dealership isn't taking orders for 2004 (even if they were, they said they wouldn't get them till September). So I'm stuck here with either a long wait or a new CTS less my Navigation System that I want ooh so badly. =) So what am I to do? Anyone have any suggestions? I want to be a new "True" member of this forum, Oh so very much... lol.. =) Thanks everyone....