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I have a intermittent issue getting into 1st and 2nd gear at a standstill. Sometimes, while on a flat surface, trying to shift into first actually moves the car forward slightly (without releasing the clutch).

When the issue occurs, no amount of force will allow me to go into 1st until I slide through 3rd and 4th. It almost seems as though the clutch is not fully disengaging or the trans isn't synchronizing, and going through 3rd and 4th slows the cluster down enough to allow engaging 1st.

After several visits, the dealer says this is common, and is caused by a "lockout"? They even said the "fix" is to do just as I do... go through 3rd or 4th first. I obviously have my doubts, and can't believe this to be "normal". BS is the word I really mean to use. Nothing more exciting than trying to get into 1st while everyone leaves you behind at the traffic light (kinda like driving an unsynchronized 1942 3 speed).

Has anyone else experienced this?

BTW, my 05 V is 100% stock (except tires), and its synchronizers were replaced at 20k (the car is now at 38k). Hmmm.... bad syncs again?
 

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Bingo! Bad synchro's, the dealer is full of crap. I had two complete rebuilds before 30K miles. When the car would not go into reverse I traded it in for an SRT-8. Be careful though. A lot of folks on here are in denial and will swear the T56 is the best transmission EVER. I have no doubt that it's good, just not good enough behind 400 horsepower and pulling nearly 4,000 lbs. Let us know how this turns out, but best to ready yourself for another battle with the dealership.
 

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Wow... 3 incidents of (supposedly) worn synchros and the suddenly the T56 can't handle 400hp? Nice to see you back in form, Chris. :thumbsup: The T56 seems to handle the power Shelby GT500 quite nicely (500hp, 3,920lbs)

It's possible that your clutch may not be fully disengaging on occasion, which would also cause the same scenario you're describing. Perhaps a clutch flush and bleed is in order at 38,000 miles?
 

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I also would suspect a dragging clutch first. The standard emergency work-around for a dragging clutch is to slip into a higher gear first because that forces the spinning flywheel to overcome more force which is usually sufficient to decouple the draggng clutch. The service manual provides a long list of conditions that can cause clutch drag such as the hydraulic system including master cylinder, actuator (slave) cylinder, and fluid. It also lists a number conditions related to the clutch pedal operation such as misalignment, missing springs, etc. Additionally, the service manual lists conditions particular to the clutch components such as a warped or an unevenly worn clutch plate, flywheel, or pilot bearing as well as other parts. Finally, it mentions oil leaks that result in a "wet" clutch. Thus, there is a number clutch related conditions that can cause the symptoms you describe.
 

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Yes, I have the EXACT some problem, I've been complaining about it here for a while and people were just telling me that I had to get used to the shifter as it is a common complaint. I have to practically force my car into gears sometimes. Putting it into first gear causes the car to move forward and when I try to idle forward in stop and go traffic by releasing the clutch a little bit while in first (like I do in my GTO) it feels like the clutch is jittering. Also when I put the clutch pedal in while driving the car lunges forward and backwards while a nice SLAP sound is emitted from the back.

I'm taking my car to Lindsay some time this month for a UUC flywheel, shifter and knob and I'll have them look at it. It's driving me insane in the meantime.
 

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Yes I'm in form again and thankfully so are the diehards. I'm glad it's not the transmission it's just another clutch, slave cylinder or yet another under-engineered piece. I have no idea who the Area Service Manager is for Chrysler. How many of you know the ASM for Cadillac by name? :thumbsup:
 

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Yes I'm in form again and thankfully so are the diehards. I'm glad it's not the transmission it's just another clutch, slave cylinder or yet another under-engineered piece. I have no idea who the Area Service Manager is for Chrysler. How many of you know the ASM for Cadillac by name? :thumbsup:
If both of my local dealers don't want to fix this I will be discarding this car and it will be my last GM. I have complained about this two times and they have done nothing about it.
 

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Yes I'm in form again and thankfully so are the diehards. I'm glad it's not the transmission it's just another clutch, slave cylinder or yet another under-engineered piece. I have no idea who the Area Service Manager is for Chrysler. How many of you know the ASM for Cadillac by name? :thumbsup:
Let me get this straight. Your in a CHRYSLER and your talking shit about under-engineered pieces? You are now running with the king of engineering pieces of shit! Have you checked out a jeep product over the last 10 years?:want:

Talk about your rattle traps, geez.
 

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Nice to see you back in form, Chris. :thumbsup:
That's your opinion Tony.

Personally CVP33 needs to piss off and go back to the fracking forum he was kicked out of. He certainly has a right to be disgruntled about his personal experiences, however that does not give him the right to consistantly return here to this forum and bad mouth the V time after time while singing the praises of his Chrysler. This is the Cadillac forum, not the Chrysler 300C forum.
 

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That's your opinion Tony.

Personally CVP33 needs to piss off and go back to the fracking forum he was kicked out of. He certainly has a right to be disgruntled about his personal experiences, however that does not give him the right to consistantly return here to this forum and bad mouth the V time after time while singing the praises of his Chrysler. This is the Cadillac forum, not the Chrysler 300C forum.
I agree- there was a large amount of sarcasm in that comment (perhaps I should have used the "rolleyes" smiley).

I'm all for busting balls, and I usually ignore Chris's comments 'cause he seems like a decent guy. I will agree that it's getting a little old though....:tisk:
 

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Meanwhile, back at the ranch....

If both of my local dealers don't want to fix this I will be discarding this car and it will be my last GM. I have complained about this two times and they have done nothing about it.
Yes, a dealer that refuses to acknowledge a problem, much less fix it is unacceptable, but not paticularly unusual and neither GM nor Cadillac have a monopoly on nonresponsive service people. I have not had any problem with my CTS-V that required an appeal to an area representative, but in the past I have had good results with that process at other GM dealerships (Chevy and Pontiac).
 

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CVP:

Here's a hidden camera video of a Mercedes Dealer trying to charge an owner $6,500 to replace his entire sunroof. He later discovered there was a rock caught in the track, and the sunroof was actually fine.

http://break.com/index/mercedes-dealership-tries-to-screw-customer.html

Cadillac dealers certainly don't have a monopoly on idiotic Service Departments. You're deluding yourself if you think your good experience with Chrysler has anything to do with their corporate policies- you just happen to live near a good dealer. I don't hear anybody who takes their V to Lindsay complaining....
 

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CVP and gergreg need to have a circle jerk and go fondle each other in private i think

the V is by no means the end all be all for automobiles, in fact its not the best car i've ever owned... but we're here for a reason we are cadillac enthusiasts... if you're not.......... GO AWAY
 

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Let me get this straight. Your in a CHRYSLER and your talking shit about under-engineered pieces? You are now running with the king of engineering pieces of shit! Have you checked out a jeep product over the last 10 years?:want:

Talk about your rattle traps, geez.
I don't drive a Jeep. How's the quality on your Chevy Cavalier, also a GM product?
 
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