[StretchASU]

Here we go. I will be using this thread to follow the install and before/after reviews of this newer shifter option for our V1's. With a few other guys already providing feedback on the 54inches shifters, I got in contact with Brian (PISNUOFF/07CTS-V) about properly modifying the Hurst 3916030 for our cars. I can't say enough about his work and he went above and beyond to get me this thing during the holidays. Even if the USPS decided to deliver it a few days later than expected lol.

What I was looking for:
-Replaceable stalk: Shorter one for DD work, able to swap out to a longer one for track days/auto-x. Not that it is a huge deal to some, but I prefer to not have to reach off the wheel a longer distance than I have to during aggressive driving. We will see how this works in the long run, but it makes sense in my head so far (can't guarantee that is always successful)
-Upgraded pivot ball
-Improved connection/bushings at the linkage
-Rebuildable and easily serviceable
-That classic Hurst knob/stalk combo.

What I am starting with for a baseline:
2005 CTS-V - Completely Stock Shifter - Creative Steel Bushings - 9k miles on a new Trans Mount (No Insert yet). This is by far the tightest shifting stock V I have driven...but I swear the ZF6 in my F250 had a shorter throw.

The goods - you can see the Delrin bushings in the linkage connection as well as the bolt "wings" machined off in order to use the stock stamped hold down. Hardware to replace the rivets you will drill out during the install. Hurst supplied grease for pivots etc. (ignore the bronze isolator cup as its being saved for later)

Closeup of the inside of the pivot. You can see the snap ring inside. Once that is removed you can press the base off and rebuild the guts if you ever needed to.

Sleeve machined and pressed onto the base in order to properly fit the stock stamped hold down. You can also see the new bushings for where the shifter attaches to the linkage. No shimming with washers.

Will update tomorrow with pictures of the install and before/after initial reviews.

 

[Guest]

That guy does professional looking work. Hahahaha.

 

[FuzzyLogic]

Sleeve machined and pressed onto the base in order to properly fit the stock stamped hold down.

Does that mean the machined sleeve fits inside the steel cup (the "hold down") that came with the car, minus the nylon junk?

 

[Guest]

Does that mean the machined sleeve fits inside the steel cup (the "hold down") that came with the car, minus the nylon junk?

Yes, inside the stock steel cup but eliminates all the nylon pivot ball and housing. It has a spherical bushing instead.

 

[StretchASU]

Does that mean the machined sleeve fits inside the steel cup (the "hold down") that came with the car, minus the nylon junk?

That is correct. Rather than having a new tab cut and welded to the Hurst cup, the sleeve just allows it to slide firmly inside the stock stamped cup/hold down to secure the shifter to the linkage plate.

 

[FuzzyLogic]

That's cool, but it sounds like you might run up against tolerances in GM's manufacturing process if you make a lot of these. You might run into a cup/hold down that's too small or too large. If that time ever comes, it might be necessary to put the cup/hold down in the oven prior to fitment, like you do with crank pulleys.

 

[Guest]

No. I'll just make them slightly small. They are sandwiched in place by the bolts, I designed it this way so there would be no chance of it being loose inside the cup after the bolts are tightened. The sleeve is machined to take up most of the slack and get it close to being centered.

 

[StretchASU]

In and done. The throw is GREATLY reduced. My ******* engineering to measure the before/after and make a real percentage out if it barely made sense to me so I will spare you all. Just know that the entire ball stays well within the shift boot surround and it makes the cigarette lighter actually useable with a phone charger in place. Best mod I have done so far.

Install notes: the new sleeve that Brian makes to fit inside the stock hold down cup fits VERY snug. Grease it to ease installation. We had to actually bolt it down to our workbench to get it seated all the way. As thin as the stamped metal hold down is, I would be hesitant to use a press of a hammer to tap it into place.

Going to drive it around and report back but so far the fit and finish is great and the install is smooth. With 2 people we had it all swapped out in an hour and a half taking time to take pics and whatnot.

Puttin Robbie to work

Old Vs. New: Note the nylon pivot ball on the stock one. This attributes to a lot of the slop in the stock shifters.

Crappy plastic "bearing" where it attached to the linkage under the car

Putting it all back together

Fin

Vid

 

[ctsv247]

More alternatives!

 

[Sneaky]

What do I have to do to get one of these, how much for pricing

 

[philistine]

This is awesome. The V1 is falling into the hands of more gear-heads. Hurst shifter in a Cadillac...brilliant!

 

[StretchASU]

What do I have to do to get one of these, how much for pricing

Shoot a PM to "PISNUOFF"...he can fill you in on pricing, turnaround times, etc.

 

[wiskey]

Love how that looks! Need to get one!

 

[Guest]

I charge $275 for a modified Hurst setup.

 

[wiskey]

How is the Vibration/noise/rattle compared to the stocker?

 

[Guest]

There is dynamat supplied with the Hurst and directions as to where to place it on the linkage. It also comes with a rubber piece that separates the two portions of the shaft.

 

[Mongopush]

It looks like by the pics its under the bolt heads, not between the two portions. Is that the rubber piece you are referring to ?

 

[StretchASU]

Vibration: 9k miles on a stock trans mount, motor mounts and Creative Steel shifter bushings and there is maybe 1/8th of excessive an inch side to side play in the shifter now and no excessive front to back movement. I have Creative Steel red motor mounts and a RevShift Trans Mount insert on the way and will report back later on once I get to installing them.

Noise/Rattle: With the AC off and Radio off there is a very slight difference in noise transmission through the shifter stalk and I can only notice it in first and second gear. I reassembled everything using the factory foam and sound insulation that is found under the shift boot and did NOT use the small pieces of Dynamat that Hurst sends with the kit. Unless you can see sounds I really doubt you can even hear it once you get to driving the car and have road noise to contend with.

Honestly any shifter that utilizes a stainless steel uniball style joint as a pivot is going to transmit a little more noise as steel doesn't dampen the way nylon does.

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It looks like by the pics its under the bolt heads, not between the two portions. Is that the rubber piece you are referring to ?

The kit comes with 2 pieces of this rubber that he is talking about. For trial purposes I placed one piece between the two pieces of the shaft and one under the bolt heads.

 

[Mongopush]

My experience,the stock shifter noise increased when I installed the RevShift bushing,trans insert, and motor mounts.All done at the same time, so I cant say it is one over the other. I have not addressed the stock shifter, it could be all the lower bushings on the shifter assembly causing the vibration issues. I have a feeling there is a lot of slop down there like everything else that I replaced from stock.

 

[StretchASU]

I would be interested to hear feedback from some of the other people that bought this shifter when it comes to the noise issue. I am very tolerable of the noises that come from the addition of harder mounts/bushings etc throughout a car because the vehicles I have built or am used to working on, so my definition of noise might be different from someone else's. I just understand that firmer bushings and mounts are going to increase the small vibrations and noise transmission in most applications and not every person grasps that concept.