[pcwelty]

After months of looking at CTS-V and deciding that it would not really be a car for me because of Cadillac's lack of addressing major problems. I decided to buy an 06 STI. Well it finally happened, I met up with an CTS-V Wed. night. The CTS-V was black and very nice looking. My STI just went over 1000 miles break in and I was ready to really she what she could do. The driver of the CTS-V had either his GF or wife with him. As I pulled up next to him and he looked over at me, he just laughted. He raced his motor and I nodded back to him. The light turned green and I had a great launch. I could here him wheel hopping, when I grabbed 2nd I had him by almost 2 car lenghts. When I grabbed 4th nothing really changed and a red light was fastly approaching. When he pulled along side of me he asked if I was stock and I said yes, just finished breaking her in. He said to bad we didn't have more room he was starting to catch up. I would guess from light to light was a little over 1/4 mile. I said lets go again, the next light was about twice as far as the previous run. He paused for a second, his GF/wife said something to him and he said, no thanks and said, nice car. I said the same and also said, I know a little about CTS-V's and if you take care of that wheelhop, it would have been a really close race. It was a really good looking car. I really wish Cadillac would address these issue, I would buy one in a heartbeat. The STI is a pure, raw sportscar and I have had a ton of fun with it so far.

No flames please, I really feel the V is an awesome car and I would have one in my garage if Caddy would listen to their customers. Spending 50K on a V, vs. 33K on the STI, I will be the first to admit the V is a more refined car, interior, seats, sound system etc..Performace wise, the V really doesn't have anything over the STI. They are very different cars and are at the top of their respected classes.

PCW

 

[ctsvett]

No intention to flame, but if he didnt hop he may have had you and he CERTAINLY would have had you above 80...

GM did release a fix for the hop (somewhat) and if he knew how to drive he could have taken you... Is "he" here??!?!

The STI is not a bad car, but I am MUCH happier I have the cadillac (I did drive the STI too).

I raced a NON stock STI and we stayed even... This was before I had my rear end bushings and had perfected my launch...

Reed

 

[thebigjimsho]

Not flaming, but launch is everything. The V shines up top. I raced my brother in his Saab 9-2X Aero(Impreza WRX twin). I also had 4 people and he had 2. I was looking at him when the light turned green. He jumped by a car length. I started hopping. It took me a good 500ft just to match his speed, nevermind closing the gap. It was all launch. A bad one takes a monumental difference in power to make up and that's why it takes a great driver to get a great time at the strip.

A few minutes later, we were on the highway. We started at 50mph. By the time I was at 100, he was a good 300ft back and maybe at 85.

When at Putnam Park this summer, I was on the track behind a new Evo. We both had race rubber. I had no problems passing him. None. Both stock cars. And I knew him, he's a good driver. At the start of a 15 lap session, I started directly behind him. By the end of it, I was a good 3/4 mile ahead. I consider the Evo and STi to be pretty comparable.

 

[ace996]

pcwelty, good choice of car...the STI is an icon in its own right. I currently drive the V, love it completely but for a few issues that've been discussed prior. I had every intention of getting an '05 STi but the wife couldn't do it...she hated the looks. I understand her point, as the two cars aren't in the same world, but I don't mind the Subie's looks...not once you've driven one.
There are times that I wish I should've gone STi, like when I'm at the autox, when its raining, when I'm looking for coilovers..or wheels...or any mod for that matter - there's just too much "proven" aftermarket support for the Subie. But then I pop the hood of my V, and I remember why I got the car.

Reed,
I understand you're point about the "over 80mph" deal, but it's not a competition...neither car is a 1/4 mile machine. Welty said it best...its a racecar, not a GT...not a luxury sport sedan, A RACECAR. The only thing the two cars have in common is the number of wheels and doors.

And now that the snow is about to fall in NY, there's still a place in my head that wishes I got the STi. But then again, I never thought I'd ever be able to get a V...I'm very happy I did, it really is schitzophrenic...a corvette in a tuxedo.

Good luck, pcwelty, and get yourself to a roadcourse(and local autocross). The STi is not a drag car, don't treat it like one. Learn how to use its strengths(no real weaknesses) and you'd be amazed at its abilities(better than MOST pure sportscars).
-ace

 

[thebigjimsho]

I also forgot to add that I am an STi fan as well. I almost bought one in the summer of '03 when they first came out. I decided I didn't want to pay MSRP and would wait. During that wait I found out about the V.

I don't think I would've gotten the STi anyway only beacuse I was looking for a little more sophistication. If the V didn't happen, the Legacy GT was in the cards. But my father has a Forester XT and like I said my brother has a 9-2X Aero. Both great cars.

 

[pcwelty]

Reed,

No flame taken. However we were doing over 80mph, I was showing 95mph. No question I'm not the best driver, I do OK and your right he wasn't either. But when you race you always have that "X" factor. Cars and their performace are based on 3 major factors, 0-60, 1/4 mile and slamon, but the most important factor is the driver. This race was from light to light with 2 so so drivers. Weather it was driver ability, wheelhop or any other cuicumstance.

Look at the car mags and the different numbers they always come up with. The recent MT, STI vs. Evo, shows STI's numbers that beat the V in every cat. Other mags so different numbers. Why the differents? Drivers, weather conditions and maybe even advertising favortism. I guess the bottom line is when you race, you race that car and that person and you either win or lose and that is what counts. Should have, would have, could have dosn't really matter.

PCW

 

[urbanski]

kitties

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[Ziplicon Tuesday]

Seriously folks, is this really a discussion about the STI compared to the V? Motorcycles can beat the V too - who gives a crap. I wonder if we would have received this report had the outcome differed....What does every high whine machine consider themselves comparable based on a 1/4mile race? Get there fast, you're still showing up in a Subaru....

 

[crowan]

Seriously folks, is this really a discussion about the STI compared to the V? Motorcycles can beat the V too - who gives a crap. I wonder if we would have received this report had the outcome differed....What does every high whine machine consider themselves comparable based on a 1/4mile race? Get there fast, you're still showing up in a Subaru....

:duck:
:histeric: :histeric:

 

[thebigjimsho]

Seriously folks, is this really a discussion about the STI compared to the V? Motorcycles can beat the V too - who gives a crap. I wonder if we would have received this report had the outcome differed....What does every high whine machine consider themselves comparable based on a 1/4mile race? Get there fast, you're still showing up in a Subaru....

I'd rather show up in a Subaru with dignity than in a Cadillac with an overbearing ego.

 

[kjr39]

Seriously folks, is this really a discussion about the STI compared to the V? Motorcycles can beat the V too - who gives a crap. I wonder if we would have received this report had the outcome differed....What does every high whine machine consider themselves comparable based on a 1/4mile race? Get there fast, you're still showing up in a Subaru....

I've heard the same things said about the V from the BMW/Mercedes crowd.

 

[pcwelty]

Seriously folks, is this really a discussion about the STI compared to the V? Motorcycles can beat the V too - who gives a crap. I wonder if we would have received this report had the outcome differed....What does every high whine machine consider themselves comparable based on a 1/4mile race? Get there fast, you're still showing up in a Subaru....

Ziplicon,

You seem to think that I'm a V hater, which I clearly stated that I would have a V if Cad got their act together and yes I would have reported if I loss as well. I'm not like a lot of people that think their car is the fastest, that I'm the best driver etc....I'll be the first to admit I'm not. However, on this day, the STI won. Maybe if I see this guy again, he'll win, would that make you feel better? This post is about one race, I did not flame anyone and have great respect for the V. To be honest I really didn't think I would win. I am not saying the STI is superior to the V or anything like that. I don't get mad when a V kills an STI, why do you? Don't think that just because the STI is a jap. car and costs 17k less than the V, that it can't keep up with the V. In 0-60, 1/4 mile and slalom the STI and V are not that far apart. Don't be so tempramental.

PCW

 

[rgd]

kitties

Lol

 

[keeksv]

kitties

:duck: :bang2:

 

[roadracerx72]

pcweelty,

I wouldn't race an STI after I watched one blow the pants of a ZO6, twice. The Z06 driver fled with the 500.00 owed to the STI guy.

 

[2004ctsv]

kitties

The only valid reply for this thread.:histeric:

T

 

[CVP33]

I'll bite.

I had a run with one from a roll. I posted the results. We both got down in 1st gear and then hit it. I gained a car length in first, a car lenght in second and then we stayed the same up to 90 mph. When I shifted into fourth I started to walk him but we shut down. Wind noise was too loud for me to hear his mod's but he confirmed that he wasn't stock. Nor am I. Stock for stock it's a coin flip according to the ragazines. However, $ for mod you can't beat an STI. Now if they weren't so damned ugly. :lildevil:

 

[DarkKnight]

Seriously folks, is this really a discussion about the STI compared to the V? Motorcycles can beat the V too - who gives a crap. I wonder if we would have received this report had the outcome differed....What does every high whine machine consider themselves comparable based on a 1/4mile race? Get there fast, you're still showing up in a Subaru....

I agree, if I wanted to drive a Subaru I would of bought one. They could run 11s for 40K and I would never consider one. I wanted refinement and comfort with performance, the V fills that bill just fine. Perhaps he is here to make himself feel better about his choice, if performance and price was all he wanted then he made the right choice.

 

[DgtalPimp]

Not a flame, but I have personally put down (beat) two STI's (from light to light), and a third on the freeway at freeway speeds, was not even close as I grabbed third hard and the STI spun up, but I never heard anything after that. :lildevil:

 

[CVP33]

I can just imagine my near 40 year old ass asking co-workers or family members to step into my WRX. My colleagues would take one look at the recaro seats, jumbo super sized wing and tight rear seats and say "maybe I should drive". I think that's the beauty of the V. It hauls ass and doesn't have all the boy-racer add-ons. The WRX is still a great car, it just doesn't fit all occassions like the V. :thumbsup: