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O.K. Guys, These things are finally available. We started to make these wide wheel trailing arms years ago but pulled away for one reason or another and since MAP and KillerNoodle were filling the need, we focused on other projects. Recently there seems to have been a break in the supply chain of these arms so we thought we would answer the call of our fellow CTS and CTS-V owners.

We've had this version of our trailing arms on our car for about three years now with no issues, they were on the car when we were at the drag strip testing our 8.8 rear differential kit, had no problems.

The arms we make now are essentially the same but we did make some improvement in the bushing department. Originally we reused the OEM bushing in the hub where the arm connects. Now we have made new bushings that are a 90A durometer that are grease-able while the arms are on the car. This way if the bushings start to squeak six months down the road you don't have to remove the arms in order to grease them. The mounting bolts at the hub end are drilled and cross drilled with a zirk installed. A few pumps with a grease gun and the bushings are quiet again. The other end of the arms also have grease zirks installed, these bushings are a 70A durometer due to the fact they act as a hinge when the suspension travels up and down. If there is a large enough demand for a spherical bearing at the front end of the arm, we will explore that option.

I'm not sure what the clearance is between the factory arms and the factory wheels are but if my memory is correct it's about ONE inch (dumb), with our arms you will have almost 5" of clearance. That's more room than you will ever need, but that's what we ended up with after we went around the lower shock mount. The brace in the corner of the arm has also been formed to clear the bottom of the lower shock mount portion of the hub meaning no grinding is required like arms offered by others.

There have been problems with the tubes that the mounting bolts pass through made by others of wide wheel arms, we did not make this mistake. Even the prototype set that have been on our car all these years had tubes with a .220 wall thickness. These new wide wheel arms have the same tubes and will not collapse when the bolts are torqued to 130 ft. lbs.

We are offering these arms with and without the bushing that go in the hub. For those of you that wish to reuse your factory (softest bushing on the whole car I might add) the arms are $375 +frt, with the new 90A bushing the arms are $435 +frt.

These arms are not on our website as of now (7-19-13), give us a call if interested or you have questions.

These arms have been a LONG, LONG time coming, these are happy days.

Hope you guys back East get some heat/humidity relief soon, I hate being sticky !!

Peace Out all, have a good weekend...........Max

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*sigh*

Just because you have the only product presently on the market doesn't mean that you can rake us over the coals on pricing. While it's great that there's an option available for people right now, that pricing is going to absolutely guarantee that people will finish their work on alternatives. For instance, KillerNoodle's arms cost $275, and they've been absolutely bulletproof. They also came with a Ballistic Fabrication ball joint that's far more durable than any polyurethane bushing, and don't restrict movement.

That said, looking forward to a real alternative to BMR toe rods--I'm glad to see that you're working on something that's adjustable without giving your alignment guy a conniption.
 

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Fuzzy......I knew you'd have some negative comment waiting for the introduction of these wide wheel arms. I'm not sure why you have such an axe to grind with us, it really doesn't matter. The people that hangout here on the forum know that you are free-flowing with your opinion and also know that it's worth what you charge for it. Don't worry, you are not part of the "us" on these arms.

The adjustable, greaseable toe-rods will be discussed next week.
 

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Outside looking in here, but it does seem like a bit much for a relatively cheap and easy to manufacture part. I've seen tubular lower control arms with spring perches, bushings, and ball joints for that price.
 

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Fuzzy......I knew you'd have some negative comment waiting for the introduction of these wide wheel arms. I'm not sure why you have such an axe to grind with us, it really doesn't matter. The people that hangout here on the forum know that you are free-flowing with your opinion and also know that it's worth what you charge for it. Don't worry, you are not part of the "us" on these arms.

The adjustable, greaseable toe-rods will be discussed next week.
As I recall, I just paid you to rent your differential bushing tool for the second time because (apparently) your differential bushing either wasn't designed to fit the 4th generation differential (you claimed that the CTS-V differentials randomly have different sized mounting cups), or it failed. Either way, that's the price of two tool rentals and a bushing purchase down the tubes. I even sent it back to you to help you with your R&D. I also had to wrap your black motor mounts in lava wrap because everybody's motor mounts are still melting and tearing--even after you changed the formula. I had to throw away your shifter rail bushings because they were worse than my three-year-old UUC bushings from Luke @ Lindsay. Free advice: put a lip on both sides of the shifter bushing and it won't slide off the rails.

The above is a pretty good reason not to like you guys, but that wasn't the point of my earlier post. Nearly $500 for a set of trailing arms is too much. Period. Regardless of quality. I've ripped on a lot of vendors for high prices--Revshift, you, and D3. There's no favoritism here. If you have a good counter argument or justification for your price, make it. If not, obey the forum rules like everyone else. We're allowed to critique products.
 

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For people like me, who don't have access to a machine shop with proper metal working equipment something like this is a decent alternative to going full custom. I mean come on, they gotta pay to keep the lights on over there to keep building our stuff somehow. I'm pretty sure Obama isn't subsidizing car parts, just cell phones and guns to terrorists. lol
 

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For people like me, who don't have access to a machine shop with proper metal working equipment something like this is a decent alternative to going full custom. I mean come on, they gotta pay to keep the lights on over there to keep building our stuff somehow. I'm pretty sure Obama isn't subsidizing car parts, just cell phones and guns to terrorists. lol
$500 + paying a shop to modify your heavy, stock wheels = $1000. A set of Team Dynamics wheels = $1200. Plus you get to keep your old ones.
 

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I'm not saying I'm gonna go get them. I'm just saying for guys in my position, as more of a hypothetical really. I'm not going to use super wide wheels on the car. No need to really. I'm still at basically stock power level, or whatever a set of long tubes and 3 inch exhaust get you... Which I assume isn't much without a tune yet. I'm looking at team dynamics wheels but not til after I do my heads/cam. I do have to say though, it seems like you do have a thing against some vendors here. Some kind of vendetta for some reason. I'm sure you have your reasons, not really any of my damn business. But in this case, all other things being equal (ie forget about the tool that they sent you that didn't work, & the motor mounts) they are trying to release new products, they deserve at least a little credit for that. Plus the rules of supply and demand... People want it, if your the only supplier you charge em a little more. That's just the way the world works. But you understand all this already. I'm sure someone will buy em. Personally, I'm going to wait to see if killer noodle starts selling his again. Not necessarily to go wider, but to replace stock stuff with items that are built better/stronger for track day use, not to mention these damn potholes on these garbage California roads.

Plus I hope people buy these so CS keeps their door open long enough for me to order their 8.8 stuff lol... But that's just me being selfish. ;)
 

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FYI - Thread and posts restored. MotorMounts is working on restoring his lapsed Platinum Vendor status and FuzzyLogic has been cleared of a possible spam violation.

Sorry for the misunderstanding - Tune fast.
 

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I see no pictures, i get an Invalid Attachment error
 

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Fuzzy... After re-reading your first two posts...they are not as inflammatory as I previously perceived them. If you feel that you were wronged by us or our parts, call me on Monday, I will refund every nickel including shipping. I would like to hear or re-hear your side of the story.

The shifter bushings have only one shoulder/lip (like the factory bushing) so they can be slid between the shifter rod and the mounting tube that they go in. A shoulder on each end would make it "troublesome" to install. A small picture with directions is sent with each set of shifter bushings. The shoulder of the bushing goes toward the rear of the car which captures it behind the tube that it pushes in to.

Call me on Monday, I will send you some money.

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10-4, on the "wasn't me", maybe it was the new guy with 13,000+ posts since a join date of 2011.

I see no pictures, i get an Invalid Attachment error
Ya, I figure the "no pictures visible" is part of my vendor status not being current. Expired yesterday. I'm pleased that Submariner409 is allowing us to have this much conversation on this thread.
 

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Fuzzy... After re-reading your first two posts...they are not as inflammatory as I previously perceived them. If you feel that you were wronged by us or our parts, call me on Monday, I will refund every nickel including shipping. I would like to hear or re-hear your side of the story.

The shifter bushings have only one shoulder/lip (like the factory bushing) so they can be slid between the shifter rod and the mounting tube that they go in. A shoulder on each end would make it "troublesome" to install. A small picture with directions is sent with each set of shifter bushings. The shoulder of the bushing goes toward the rear of the car which captures it behind the tube that it pushes in to.

Call me on Monday, I will send you some money.
Don't worry about it. If you want to give me a break on shipping when I need a 8.8" kit (assuming 54inches hasn't made his kit available to the world by then), I'll take you up on that.

I'm largely following in PISNUOFF's footsteps with a 427 LSx iron block build, except that I'm going the "very large supercharger" route and he's doing the "very large turbocharger(s)" route. Heads, compression, and a few other things will vary, but what's certain is the stock rear end is living on borrowed time. Hence, an iron differential housing, carbon fiber driveshaft, and full axles are in my future.
 

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First off i will say that i am new here so i dont know all the stories or personalities.

After reading this thread i have a little input but its just my opinion so take it or leave it.

$435+shipping is nothing for trailing arms. I dont know if this is your first car but i have had several cars that i have modded and i think the price is fair. Also for someone like me that would like to have wider wheels where else would i or anybody go? If i were to try and have someone build me a set i look at it like this: Fab shop to get it right will have well over a day just to make a set. Consider they have to have a decent tube bender, Lathe and welder. So 8 hours + @ shop rate of $80/hr (<- very low) = $640. That doesnt include the bushings or powdercoat.

So like i said its just my opinion and observation but for you that are complaining about price i highly doubt you have the tooling and or knowledge to build these so stop complaining about price when its the only option most have.

Relax and drink some beer
 

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Looks great max. I like the design a lot more then the kinked lightning bolt that others have tried.
If I was going to get bigger wheels id have a set on my car for sure.


And fuzzy man what is your deal ?
90% of what you post is bad mouthing someone or a new product. We are a very small community here and we need to welcom any and all owners and companys that are willing to invest in our car
If you dont like the price then go buy the tools and build your own
 

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and fuzzy man what is your deal ?
90% of what you post is bad mouthing someone or a new product. We are a very small community here and we need to welcom any and all owners and companys that are willing to invest in our car
If you dont like the price then go buy the tools and build your own
90% of what I post is technical. It is the responsibility of educated, conscientious consumers to identify potential price gouging and request equitable prices, especially in underrepresented markets where corporate social responsibility (CSR) is not actively being monitored.

HLS Forum on Corporate Governance and Financial Regulation said:
In particular, this research shows that CSR leads to outcomes such as increased customer loyalty, willingness to pay premium prices, and lower reputational risks in times of crisis. [1,2,3] Each of these marketing outcomes in turn has the potential to support increased profitability.
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/corpgo...ial-responsibility-to-enhance-customer-value/

If you're reading an antagonizing tone into my posts, please note that it only exists in your head. The way I see it, this kind of critique only makes our vendors and the CTS-V community at large stronger by building honesty and trust (where trust can be had) between members. Does drama erupt from time to time? Absolutely. But the alternative--a community that only exists to pat each other's backs--is far worse.
 

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with such a small market, I appreciate any fabricator/manufacturer putting out new parts
 
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