This has got to be one of the biggest misconceptions that people have - a true Urban Legend.Katshot said:I've heard good and bad from people that tried them. Bottom line: if they REALLY did anything, the OEM would use them.
True as in you know for an indisputable fact and have firsthand knowledge thereof, or true as in you think so pretty sure that's how you would do it? Have you actually sat in on high level corporate strategy meetings? I don't mind reading your *opinions* but please don't confuse them with actual facts. My *opinion* follows:Katshot said:...my comment about the OEM using it if it actually worked was true whether you choose to believe it or not. CAFE standards are SO costly to the OEMs that they DO IN FACT sweat tenths of miles/gal. so any technology that would be so simple to incorporate and would actually net real MPG gains would definately be utilized.
In your eyes perhaps. Your comment tells us something too.Your comment seriously undermines your credibility.
Oh my, a nastygram. Nothing more substantive to say?Katshot said:My God, do you just love to hear yourself talk?!
Mid-level at best. The high level meeting is the one between the head guys from the mid-level meetings, the marketers and beancounters, and the upper level executives (VP's and such). It's where the engineers are told what to design and build. I have never attended.To answer your question, YES, I HAVE sat in on fairly high level meetings, engineering meetings chaired by the brand manager (actually, I believe they were called "project leader" or something back in those days) at the time where we all sat around and discussed many key points including powertrain calibrations, and component choices, HAVE YOU?
Of course...Of course I understand the compromises that are inherent in any mass-produced consumer goods, especially motor vehicles.
You're response would be more effective if you dropped the personal attack, read everything carefully, and answered with a point by point refutation of the issues I've raised. If you have any *specific* points worth making other than dissing me, dismissing my argument entirely without a well thought out (or at least well-expressed) position, and ignoring most of the substance of what I took the time to write then by all means lets hear it. Just try to keep it focused on the discussion and don't get yourself all worked up.I'm sure you think I'm a total friggin' idiot and I'm totally wasting my time here but to be honest, I feel that from your post, it's very clear that you speak from knowledge gained by reading magazines and not from any REAL experience. In fact, I'll bet you spend all kinds of time pouring over Road & Track, Car & Driver, probably even Automotive News and think that makes you quite the expert. Do us all a favor and think before running off at the mouth.
See, not personal. Just a discussion on a "friggin' internet forum".Gimme a break. It's a friggin' internet forum for God's sake...Sandman made a lot of good posts but then he was gone for awhile..I don't care what he says, I call 'em like I see 'em, if I agree with him, I'll say so, if I don't, I'll say so. End of story.
I certainly don't agree with that but that's all I'm going to say regarding this matter. I'd like to suggest that Katshot rethink his position given the points I've made and take it from there.Katshot said:He comes back and he's just as much of an over-opinionated, pompus, horses ass as he was before. Wes is right, and I've got better things to do than argue with a wannabe.
Go read a magazine, I'm not wasting my time on you OR your points:banghead:the Sandman said:I certainly don't agree with that but that's all I'm going to say regarding this matter. I'd like to suggest that Katshot rethink his position given the points I've made and take it from there.