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There's nothing in the Article about the 2016's actual Pricing so it's a bit premature to start the price-bashing, why don't we just wait until the announcement and actual pricing details come out?
 

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There's nothing in the Article about the 2016's Pricing so it's a bit premature to start the price-bashing, why don't we just wait until the announcement and actual pricing details come out?
What about this sentence in the article?

"In fact, beyond keeping ELR at its current price, “enhanced performance” is about the only rock-solid detail we know so far."
 

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What about this sentence in the article?

"In fact, beyond keeping ELR at its current price, “enhanced performance” is about the only rock-solid detail we know so far."
Ya but what is the current price ?
Is it the 77k sticker that they were getting a year ago or is it the 48 to 55k that they are getting today (currently) ?
 

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If you count Editorial speculation a Fact then you have a point, otherwise I prefer to let Cadillac confirm the pricing.
 

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There's nothing in the Article about the 2016's actual Pricing so it's a bit premature to start the price-bashing, why don't we just wait until the announcement and actual pricing details come out?
The article did state Cadillac will keep the eller at its current price .
Does anyone know its its EEEElur or ELLER ?
 

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At this point I see a 2016 ELR as a show car and nothing more. Unless de Nysschen has completely changed his mind about what he said at the LA auto show. Reference http://www.autoworldnews.com/articles/10654/20141125/cadillac-elr-luxury-hybrid-coupe-general-motors-gm-exclusive-news-johan-de-nysschen-los-angeles-auto-show.htm

The fact that people do [think it is too expensive] is as much a reflection on, I suppose, our bad, in how we positioned this car.

"With all that said, if we were to reprice ELR, to the point where somehow we found a point that people would buy it buy the thousands, then all we would achieve is, the more cars you sell, the more money you lose. There's no point in that. It is where it is."

On the future of plug-in hybrids in the Cadillac lineup: "I absolutely believe that we need not only a successor to ELR but more vehicles of that caliber and they will be part of our future. We must not give up on the car. I cannot have 50 priorities at the same time. The team and I will get around to working on ELR, but it is clearly going to be a niche car."

So if the ELR's price does not change, how many will buy one? How many dealers will order even one (Unless they think Cadillac will once again throw lots of cash on the hood again)?
 

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Talked to a Cadillac rep at the car show here in Pittsburgh over the weekend. Asked her if she could give me ans specifics as to what the "engineering enhancements" would be on the 2016 ELR in Geneva. 300 hp! I'll believe it when I see it. With over 2014 500 cars left in inventory, the odds are low that dealers would increase the price - that defies any logic...

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This line has been excised from the press release for Geneva - found this in the cached version:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Yuj1qqXNaSkJ:media.cadillaceurope.com/media/intl/en/cadillac/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/intl/en/2015/cadillac/02-10-cadillac-at-geneva-motorshow.html+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
In addition, we will show for the first time the 2016 Cadillac ELR Electric Premium Coupe with enhanced performance and the new and updated European Cadillac range.

This is the updated link:
http://media.cadillaceurope.com/media/intl/en/cadillac/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/intl/en/2015/cadillac/02-10-cadillac-at-geneva-motorshow.html
In addition, we want to give you the opportunity to interview key executive leaders of the Cadillac Global and Cadillac Europe team:

hmmmm....
 

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So the updated link eliminated the ELR, does that mean no ELR at the show?
 

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Talked to a Cadillac rep at the car show here in Pittsburgh over the weekend. Asked her if she could give me ans specifics as to what the "engineering enhancements" would be on the 2016 ELR in Geneva. 300 hp! I'll believe it when I see it.
The current ELR has 207 horsepower and 295 lb-ft. torque (but only after the battery has been depleted, not in EV-only mode), so 300HP would be a good improvement assuming the torque also increased by 50% and the ELR would be able to completely utilize the available power in EV-only mode (perhaps by adding a Sport+ mode that allows use of the ICE before the car enters Extended Range mode).

However, since the announcement seems to have rid itself of the 2016 ELR's debut, she could have said 600HP and it would be meaningless! And I hope Cadillac doesn't think improving the acceleration alone will justify a $76k price tag.
 

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The current ELR has 207 horsepower and 295 lb-ft. torque (but only after the battery has been depleted, not in EV-only mode), so 300HP would be a good improvement assuming the torque also increased by 50% and the ELR would be able to completely utilize the available power in EV-only mode (perhaps by adding a Sport+ mode that allows use of the ICE before the car enters Extended Range mode).

However, since the announcement seems to have rid itself of the 2016 ELR's debut, she could have said 600HP and it would be meaningless! And I hope Cadillac doesn't think improving the acceleration alone will justify a $76k price tag.
If they want to start moving cars at the price it needs to have 4 doors. 2 doors extremely limits the numbers of buyers. Most people only own 1 car, so if you have a tesla you can easily carry 4-5 people. Not so in the ELR. If you are looking for a 2 door car for performance, the ELR wouldnt be your choice either.

If caddy made a plug in hybrid the size of the CTS that had the performance (meaning mpg) of the ELR, that would still qualify for the tax rebate and HOV program, I think they could sell them all day at 80K.
 
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