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Well, from a numbers standpoint on engine and chassis weight the entire CT6 is interesting for sure, but I am not really excited about the engine. Whatever happened to the Ultra V8 that Cad had ready for production years ago?

Can it take on the 7 series and s-class?

I guess we are going to have to wait and see what we get in a week. I do like the front view of it. Not too over the top like the s-class.
 

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Well, from a numbers standpoint on engine and chassis weight the entire CT6 is interesting for sure, but I am not really excited about the engine. Whatever happened to the Ultra V8 that Cad had ready for production years ago?

Can it take on the 7 series and s-class?

I guess we are going to have to wait and see what we get in a week. I do like the front view of it. Not too over the top like the s-class.
Always amazing to me how many people miss the news. The V8 that was to eventually replace the Northstar was canned years ago. Whatever V8 that comes out had not been previously reported on...
 

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I remember it being shelved, not canned. That does not mean it was not good enough to bring back a couple years later. For the US market, the Ultra V8 is probably a better sales option than this engine. I also remember them doing the R&D for this type of engine at about the same time.

The more I follow what Cadillac is doing, the more I think the US is becoming a secondary market and China the primary market. A reality of the times.
 

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I remember it being shelved, not canned. That does not mean it was not good enough to bring back a couple years later. For the US market, the Ultra V8 is probably a better sales option than this engine. I also remember them doing the R&D for this type of engine at about the same time.

The more I follow what Cadillac is doing, the more I think the US is becoming a secondary market and China the primary market. A reality of the times.
Funny, I see so many Mercedes CLAs and GLAs, it's ridiculous. Audi has the A3, BMW the X1. Lincoln just came out with the MXC and Lexus also has a small CUV.

And you know what? I don't live in China.

Also, the V8 was canned. Not shelved. No hope of resurrection. The new V8 will be all new.
 

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Cadillac is not MB, Audi or BMW and Cadillac sure as heck does not have the resources to pursue every category and create a consistent marketing campaign for each size to support it. I really thought the latest tiny Cadi SUV was more a CUV and its not selling as well as hoped, why do they think an even smaller one would sell?

Stats show 60% of Cadillacs business is or will very soon come from China and growing faster than the US. That means the cars are now geared more for their market than ours, and it shows.
 

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Cadillac is not MB, Audi or BMW and Cadillac sure as heck does not have the resources to pursue every category and create a consistent marketing campaign for each size to support it. I really thought the latest tiny Cadi SUV was more a CUV and its not selling as well as hoped, why do they think an even smaller one would sell?

Stats show 60% of Cadillacs business is or will very soon come from China and growing faster than the US. That means the cars are now geared more for their market than ours, and it shows.
yes it does .
 

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Why wouldn't you give a quiet powerful efficient turbo V6 a chance over a n/a V8 that was announced a decade ago and is exceeding the performance of that V8? Technology goes on and the competition is downsizing as well in the same manner.

And if you would put that technology in a V8 you would be in V-territory for the CT6. I know there's an AMG S-class. But how big is the market for that? Cadillac should better focus on getting it comfortable and standing out over overly fast.
 

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I personally wish they used the V8 from the Corvette but this is a good move by them. If they can achieve around 25 City/30+ highway its smart. I believe the S class gets 17 city/25 highway, but the Audi and 7 Series get 20+ and 30+ city/hwy...And in the end people who can afford this car probably dont worry so much about fuel economy but to have a brand new engine achieve the best MPG of the class that will be awesome. I'm really pulling for Cadillac and this model in particular because I like and want BIG cars from Cadillac.
 

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I personally wish they used the V8 from the Corvette but this is a good move by them. If they can achieve around 25 City/30+ highway its smart. I believe the S class gets 17 city/25 highway, but the Audi and 7 Series get 20+ and 30+ city/hwy...And in the end people who can afford this car probably dont worry so much about fuel economy but to have a brand new engine achieve the best MPG of the class that will be awesome. I'm really pulling for Cadillac and this model in particular because I like and want BIG cars from Cadillac.
I find it's not so much the "economy" part of the fuel economy but rather how long I go before I have to think about gassing up that is more a consideration - also not needing premium is nice...a V8 would be great, probably reserved for Vsport though
 

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I personally wish they used the V8 from the Corvette but this is a good move by them. If they can achieve around 25 City/30+ highway its smart. I believe the S class gets 17 city/25 highway, but the Audi and 7 Series get 20+ and 30+ city/hwy...And in the end people who can afford this car probably dont worry so much about fuel economy but to have a brand new engine achieve the best MPG of the class that will be awesome. I'm really pulling for Cadillac and this model in particular because I like and want BIG cars from Cadillac.
The thing is most of these big cruisers are leased. And if the value after lease is relatively good, the payments aren't too bad either. Then it DOES matter what the car's running costs are.
Now be aware the value after lease for any low sales brand, like Cadillac is, is relatively extremely low. Meaning your payments are high which makes a Cadillac NOT attractive for leasing in Europe. Hence Cadillac is now mostly attractive to people who can afford to buy one. And for those I can easily assume they rather want an engine to last over an engine that is Euro6 on paper.

So if Cadillac intends to sell more cars in Europe, besides investing in PR for the public to even be aware of Cadillac, they drastically need to improve the reputation at leasing companies (banks), which means at least to bring diesel engines.
 

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The thing is most of these big cruisers are leased. And if the value after lease is relatively good, the payments aren't too bad either. Then it DOES matter what the car's running costs are.
Now be aware the value after lease for any low sales brand, like Cadillac is, is relatively extremely low. Meaning your payments are high which makes a Cadillac NOT attractive for leasing in Europe. Hence Cadillac is now mostly attractive to people who can afford to buy one. And for those I can easily assume they rather want an engine to last over an engine that is Euro6 on paper.

So if Cadillac intends to sell more cars in Europe, besides investing in PR for the public to even be aware of Cadillac, they drastically need to improve the reputation at leasing companies (banks), which means at least to bring diesel engines.
they can pull a lot of tricks with leases...like heavily subsidizing them
Cars with lower resale value should have higher lease payments...that is leasing 101

but manufacturers subsidize the leases to move cars
Example
The ATS doesnt have the resale of the 3 series so its monthly lease payment should be higher
They know the market would not accept a higher lease payment on the ATS than a 3 series so GM has to subsidize the lease to move cars

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Why wouldn't you give a quiet powerful efficient turbo V6 a chance over a n/a V8 that was announced a decade ago and is exceeding the performance of that V8? Technology goes on and the competition is downsizing as well in the same manner.

And if you would put that technology in a V8 you would be in V-territory for the CT6. I know there's an AMG S-class. But how big is the market for that? Cadillac should better focus on getting it comfortable and standing out over overly fast.
For me a 6,regardless of design can never achieve the smoothness or longevity of a larger 8 cylinder . If I wanted a supercharged 6 or any other 6. Cadillac would not be the brand I bought .

In all honesty,cadillac has disappointed me with my 2011 DTS (D stands for Dog) they further have closed down the 2 best dealerships Ive bought New cars at .
My 2008 dealer was closed and they were fantastic. Giving me courtesy,respect and great service. The last Cadillac/ chev dealer where I bought the 11 (in 11) actually called me " Bud ". HUH ?
 

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For me a 6,regardless of design can never achieve the smoothness or longevity of a larger 8 cylinder . If I wanted a supercharged 6 or any other 6. Cadillac would not be the brand I bought .
I have to agree on you on the smoothness.
 

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Then none of you have driven a good turbo 6 and are speaking strictly out of ignorance.

BTW, one of the smoothest engines on earth? BMW's inline 6. Your argument is invalid.
 

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Then none of you have driven a good turbo 6 and are speaking strictly out of ignorance.

BTW, one of the smoothest engines on earth? BMW's inline 6. Your argument is invalid.
Correct ! I have not driven a good turbo 6 . I have driven a CTS V6 and although its more than OK,its not a V8 smoooth .
Have never driven a Bentley V 12 either,but the guy at the gun club who has one told me it's the smoothest,most responsive car he's ever driven.
I will take his word on that .

Regarding the BMW inline 6 being a smooth engine, its apples and oranges because we are not talking inline engines . We are discussing the current production V6. An engine that is so underpowered,it takes 2 superchargers for adequate service .

Im thinking 4 people and luggage driving at Utah type speeds and the MPG will hover around 15 . Engine longevity will probably exceed the 5/50000,but not by much .
 

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Correct ! I have not driven a good turbo 6 . I have driven a CTS V6 and although its more than OK,its not a V8 smoooth .
Have never driven a Bentley V 12 either,but the guy at the gun club who has one told me it's the smoothest,most responsive car he's ever driven.
I will take his word on that .

Regarding the BMW inline 6 being a smooth engine, its apples and oranges because we are not talking inline engines . We are discussing the current production V6. An engine that is so underpowered,it takes 2 superchargers for adequate service .

Im thinking 4 people and luggage driving at Utah type speeds and the MPG will hover around 15 . Engine longevity will probably exceed the 5/50000,but not by much .
You obviously don't understand why it uses two TURBOchargers. Which means you don't understand this conversation fully.
 
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